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Skriven 2006-05-12 09:02:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BJöRN FORSSTRöM
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-=> Quoting Björn Forsström to Frank Scheidt <=-

 FS>> Our Armed Forces are fighting terrorists in Iraq.  Even President Bush
 FS>> refers to it as a "war", but that's merely a figure of speech indicating
 FS>> intense action.  It's similar to the old "War on Poverty" of Lyndon
 FS>> Johnson or the "War on Inflation" of Gerald Ford.  It doesn't mean it's a
 FS>> true *war*, since the Congress hasn't declared it.
 
 BF>> Whatever Johnson and Ford did I guess it was done whithin USA, Bush is
 BF>> doing it to a foregin country and that's a totally other thing.
 
 FS> OK ... however the nomenclature is *still* the same ...

 BF> Perhaps but those "wars" didn't include your Armed Forces.

True enough, but, as I said the nomenclature is still the same 
...
 
 BF>> What would happend if a terrorist from say, Russia, was found working for
 BF>> UbL, would you invade Russia as well?
 
 FS> I doubt it, but I have no way of knowing ...

 BF> We both know that that wouldn't happend and Iraq was a more easy
 BF> target but fighting against religious fanatics wasn't that easy as they
 BF> had thought. 
 
 I would hope we never have war with Russia *or* China.  Iraq 
wasn't invaded simply because it was considered "easy".  It was 
invaded since it appeared to have posed a real threat to our own 
security.

 BF>> And even Swedes have been
 BF>> found within Al Qaida so when are you coming here?
 
 FS> If we were and I knew I wouldn't be allowed to give you that information
 FS> ... be prepared ... heh heh heh ...

 BF> Is it time for me to be paranoid now? :-=
 
Nah!  In all the decades I've followed national politics I have 
*never* heard any American politician say anything warlike WRT 
Sweden.

 BF>> Can't you understand that people all over the world are worried over what
 BF>> GWB can do when he doesn't follow, either yours or international laws?
 
 FS> Exactly *what* are they worried about?  The US hasn't done anything wrong.

 BF> That's where your opinion go againt the rest (most of it antway)
 BF> world. And today I heard Putin warn the US to do anything against Iran
 BF> and we just have
 BF> to wait and see what happends now. Is this the start of a new cold war
 BF> or even worse?

I doubt it.  We called the Soviet's bluff and they folded.  
Russia is weaker than was the Soviet so I don't think there's any 
real danger there.  They have a lot of nukes and a lot of 
missiles but, with luck, none of them will ever be put into use 
...

 BF> We are simply afraid the some day you do an even bigger mistake that
 BF> trigger the Russian and/or China to have to show you that you just
 BF> can't do whatever you like to whomever you like.
 
Huh?  I don't think we have that feeling now.  The present "wars" 
were fully justified.
 
 FS> Both Afghanistan and Iraq were logically considered a threat to us.  What
 FS> this says is that if a given nation poses no threat to us it has nothing
 FS> to fear from us. What's wrong with *that*?

 BF> If you can consider Afghainistan and Iraq to be a threat to you, what
 BF> is then China and Russia? Just because they had training camps for Al
 BF> Qaida doesn't automatically mean that the country itself is a threat.
 BF> None of these countries have weapons to threat you with but China and
 BF> Russia have. 

But neither of those nations have threatened us ... maybe they 
recall what happened to Germany and Japan in the 1940s ...

 BF>> What you do to your own is your buisness but leave the rest of the world
 BF>> out of it. And by international law's here I mean that a war should have
 BF>> been declared, otherweise you doings in Iraq is illegal.
 
 FS> I agree that war *should* have been declared.  Why the Congress hasn't
 FS> done that I have no idea.

 BF> Thank you for a frank (pun intended) answer and here we agree. Wow!
 
It happens ... [sigh] ...

 BF>>> I don't think you ever can explain this to me so I would understand it.
 BF>>> Do you really understand it yourself?
 
 FS>> I think so, yes ...
 
 BF>> Well, I don't think so. It's just a smoke screen in order to justify that
 BF>> USA can do whatever it does just because it suits your purpose.
 
 FS> Not so!  Our military actions always either are specifically in defence of
 FS> ourselves, e.g., WWII, *or* they are to help other nations, e.g., Vietnam

 BF> How can you say that an attack against Iraq is defence since Iraq
 BF> hadn't threatned you?
 
The intelligences sources told us Iraq *did* threaten us!

 > ... the US is the most altruistic nation on earth!

 BF> Counted per capita you aren't as was shown after the Tsunami.

When that Tsunami hit, the first massive aid was the US Navy.
 
 BF>> Haven't you, or was it Roy, who said that those terrorists who attacked
 BF>> you were from Jordan? Why didn't you attack THEM instead?
 
 FS> Fifteen of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia.  We *should* have attacked that
 FS> nation.  Afghanistan was the second worst enemy.

 BF> And here you agree that an attack against Iraq was unjustified.

No I don't ...
 
 BF>> And how could WMD:s
 BF>> in Iraq threaten *you*? CIA must have known that Iraq didn't have
 BF>> intercontinental missiles when they ?knew? that they had WMD:s. It all
 BF>> just doesn't make sence so it's a coverup for something.
 
 FS> A coverup for *what*??  It's easy to make a serious charge like that, but
 FS> you present no evidence.

 BF> I can't since those, if exists, are deeply buried and top secret so
 BF> it's easy to
 BF> say that that they don't exist.

It seems to be equally easy for you to make the claim that it 
*was* a coverup.
 
 BF>> The "legal" gummint put there by USA.
 
 FS> Huh?  Aren't you aware the Iraqi *people* actually *voted* them into
 FS> office?!?!  Wasn't that in Swedish newspapers??

 BF> Why haven't they start working after five years?


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