Text 31130, 90 rader
Skriven 2006-06-07 05:37:03 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 31096 av SHANNON TALLEY (1:275/311)
Ärende: Pickled Pirates Prop
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Hello SHANNON.

06 Jun 06 16:12, you wrote to me:

 ST> Here you go again... You preach Freedom of speech, Freedom of
 ST> expression, but when someone actually displays something you don't
 ST> like, you call it something else.

You have the freedom to start a hate campaign.

I have the fredom to call it what it is.

 >> DS>    What hate campaign?
 >> Have a look at:
 >> http://www.fidotel.com/public/fidonews/default.htm
 >> Looks like a hate campaign to me....

 ST> At the bottom of my article I list two important things; 1. The
 ST> references for each of BJ's statements,

Lifted out of context.

 ST> It's obvious you don't like that, but then -- you can't be king of the
 ST> world and you can't have everything you don't like expunged from
 ST> existence.

Indeed I dont like it and I can't do very much about it.

But I *can* call it what it is and a hate campaign it is.

 ST>   You aren't a dictator, even though you want to be one...!

It seems you are the one wanting to be dictator. You are the one who started
all this by attempting to have Björn remove some material from his system that
*you* do not like is there.

 >> Whereas you guys do not have to first prove - to the satisfaction of
 >> the majority of the people - that Bj"rn is guilty of stealing?

 ST> That's already been proven, and even admitted to by himself.  We all
 ST> see the evidence on his website.  There is nothing to prove....!

I never saw an admission of theft by Björn and I see nothing on his website
that indicates theft.

 >> Nonsence. FidoNews existed long before anyone made pirated copies
 >> avaiable via a website. It can continue to exist that way.

 ST> By your own definition, anyone who publishes Fidonews on their BBS
 ST> with your article is in violation of your copyright.

It is not *my* definition.

 ST> So TAKE US ALL TO COURT.

Why should I?

 ST>   All the while, YOUR FRIEND, BJ, has the same article on HIS
 ST> website!

And the problem with that is?

 ST>   MOST of the sysops in this echo maintain a file area with
 ST> copies of Fidonews on their TELNET sites and make it available to
 ST> download for ANYONE who goes on their BBS -- "Just like mine"...

Wriggle all you like, it does not change the fact that you are offering my
articles to the general public without my permission and that according to
Dutch law is a criminal offence.

 ST> There is NO difference Michiel, and you know that. I make Fidonews
 ST> available on my website to all members of Fidonet whether you like it
 ST> or not...

And as I told you, I do not like it.

Now stop being a hypocrite. Either stop harrassing Björn by trying to apply US
law and US morals to what is on his website and accept that only the laws of
the country of residence apply, or... submit to Dutch law and honour my
copyright.

 ST>  If you don't like it, then quit Fidonet.

What is on Björn's website is not in violence of Swedish law. If you don't like
that, leave FidoNet.

Michiel

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