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Skriven 2006-07-07 09:42:17 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
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>> Not even the Germans was aware of what was going on in the concentration
>> camps at that time but we are very well informed about what's going on at
>> Guantanamo. Same shit different places. We cared about those prisoners but

 ST> Oh?  Have you been there and seen the place?  Those guys are living high
 ST> on the hog over there and are being treated very well.  I know this first
 ST> hand
 ST> :)   You can't possibly compare prisoners of war being treated, fed,
 ST> housed,
 ST> and clothed to the slaughtering Saddam did to the Kurds.

Of course you have to say this, I wouldn't expect anything else but it differs
so
much from what those who have been there as prisoners have to say about it
and even some American soldiers have, in English documentaries, agreed to
that they did use torture.
And that isn't to be much better then Saddam.

>> And how many have been executed in USA?
>> Same shit different places.

 ST> The Death penalty serves a greater good, and I'm glad we have it.

What good does it do? Does it prevent others from committing crimes?

 ST> Who
 ST> wants
 ST> murder's let loose and moving in as our next door neighbors?  (You??)  I
 ST> doubt it.

No, I don't but by killing them shows that you aren't any better then they.

 ST> Again, you can't possibly compare the slaughter of innocent
 ST> men, women and children to our death penalty.

Why not? The result is the same. They die. Killed by the government.
To Saddam they were criminals.
Same shit, different places different laws.

 ST> You are writing as though
 ST> you support the atrocities committed against the Kurds by Saddam.

Then you are reading what I say like the devil is reading the Bible.

 ST> If you
 ST> want to compare prisons, take a look at German, Turkish, Polish, or even
 ST> some of England's prisons.  Whew -- they wouldn't pass "OSHA" standards
 ST> here in the US, that's for damn sure.

And how do you know that? Have you listned to the inmates? Then, also listen
to the inmates at Guantanamo. I have. Remember that we had a Swede there.
His story differs a lot from yours.

>> That has not passed un-noticed but how much have been done for the blacks in
>> the south of USA? And for those 50 million people that can't afford a healt-
>> care insurance?

 ST> What in the hell are you talking about?  You have Absolutely NO idea what
 ST> you are writing about... You've pulled apart some reports from the
 ST> drive-by-media and accept them as fact.  There IS health care available to
 ST> the indigent from the federal govt. and the state govts.

That's not what other Americans say and not what's shown in programs from USA
and of course you have to say this as well. Anything else would be unthinkable.

 ST> Blacks?  They
 ST> have as much --- if not more (due to affirmative action) rights and
 ST> privileges than Caucasians.  We are MUCH more advanced regarding equal
 ST> rights than most (if not all) countries in Europe.  I'm "From" the south,
 ST> and therefore have a very personal knowledge.  ANYONE can afford health
 ST> care in this country, they simply have to apply for a program.  I work at
 ST> the local homeless shelter and council people specifically on their health
 ST> care options.  The problem isn't a lack of funding or programs, it's
 ST> simply that about 22million don't give a crap and don't apply for any.

And you have never thought about why they don't. Perhaps because they know
that they will never get any anyway. We have the same problem here.

>> And how many of those dies every year due to lack of treatment?

 ST> There are MANY who "refuse" treatment,

Then many Americans are even more stupid then I thought. Who would refuse
treatment. Here we stand in line to *get* treatment and unfotrunatly many dies
in
that line.
See, I'm even selfcritical and tha't s more then can be said about you.

 ST> or fall down a well, can't get to a
 ST> hospital on time, or whatever -- but it is a federal crime to refuse life
 ST> saving treatment to any human being in this country (legal or illegal
 ST> immigrant -- doesn't matter) regardless of health insurance coverage.

But only first aid to make sure they don't die, then they are on their own and
if
they can't pay for further treatment....

 ST> BJ,

Please, you reffer to me as well as to the other Björn with BJ and sometimes
it can get confusing to whom you are talking to. You have to seperate us with
something.

 ST> based on your writings you really don't have any idea what it's like
 ST> over here.  I don't know if you've based you knowledge on movies, euro
 ST> papers, or just reading all the bad things that Felen has written about us
 ST> over the years, but your views are very "wrong".....

This is how USA is presented in every program, American as well as European
and even from what I saw even in Thailand during my stay there so whom should I
believe? You or every news media around the world? I tend to believe the latter
since your glasses are so American colored so you doesn't see anything else.
Take them off and you will find a completly different world out there.

>> Afraid of being criticized....?

 ST> Not at all -- just as long as it's "true".

You make it sound like USA is heaven on earth but we both know it isn't so and
I can make it sound that Sweden is too but I don't. I know better then that.

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