Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33903
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   24126
FIDONEWS_OLD1   35283/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12852
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4408
FN_SYSOP   41678
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13599
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16070
HOLYSMOKE   0/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22092
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   926
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4786
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1121
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   3218
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13271
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2056
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4288
WIN95_OLD1   58859/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   32896
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2056
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6002
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
Möte FIDONEWS_OLD1, 49742 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 36013, 67 rader
Skriven 2006-08-06 02:18:38 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
     Kommentar till en text av Bob Ackley
Ärende: Re: Israel
==================
Bob,
 
> In any case, Germany had at least *four* modern heavy
> surface units (Scharnhorst, Gneisnau, Tirpitz and Prinz Eugen) at the
> time, six if
> you count the two remaining 'pocket' battleships (Scheer and Lutzow -
> which was originally christened 'Deutschland').
 
... because Hitler did not want to risk a vessel with the name "Deutschland" to
be sunk. ;-)
 
Anyway, Scharnhorst Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen were locked-up in
western-Atlantic ports and made their famous breakthrough home through the
Channel by day. Scharnhorst ran on a mine and went into dry-dock. Gneisenau was
hit several times in its home port by British bombers and never saw action
again. Eventually towards the end of the war it was scuttled.
 
Prinz Eugen saw considerable action, mainly in the Baltic sea where it
functioned as a successful gun-platform supporting the German army on land. It
also aided in the rescue of German civilians of the uncoming Russian army. It
is then that the greatest sea-catastrophy of all time occured when a Russian
sub torpedoed the German liners 'Wilhelm Gustlof' (estimated 10,000 casualties,
compare that to Titanic) and "General Von Steuben" (estimated 4,500
casualties). At the end of the war it was the only remaining German heavy
surface-unit afloat and was seized by the Americans. Transfered to Bikini Atol
it was part of the fleet anchored there during the Bravo-test. Eventually Prinz
Eugen sank. Now it is a diving object and since it is in excellent condition
there is a German venture to try and raise it.
 
Scharnhorst had some minor successes. It sank an aircraft carrier and a number
of other smaller vessels. Eventually it was sunk on Christmas Eve 1943 during
what is now known as the "Battle of the North Cape" by the battleship "Duke of
York" (which completely outgunned it but yet also needed a lucky hit first) and
the cruisers Jamaica and Belfast. Belfast survived the war and was not
scrapped. It is now anchored on the Thames in London, open for the public and
on the bridge are the original maps on display which were used while hunting
for scharnhorst.
 
Tirpitz (Bismarck class) hid for its complete career in a Norwegian fjord and
made only one outing to Spitsbergen where it shelled a Norwegian radio-station
in Longyearbeyen and a Russian radio-station in Barentzburg. In the latter
there is a small museum which I could visit in 1999 and they have there a
defused unexploded shell of Tirpitz.
 
As for the "Scheer" and "Lutzow", I don't think they saw much action at all. As
a matter of fact, they were alot more vulnerable than the Allies believed. Very
heavy armament, propulsion was by diesel engines and not turbines which made
them faster than the average cruiser. They looked quite a thing (same class as
Graf Spee) but their deck and side armour was insufficient which made them
sitting ducks for heavy enemy units.
 
It explains why in the Battle of the La Plata, the Graf Spee was so severely
damaged by the Ajax and the Achilles which both had only 6-inch guns chased it
in port. The rest is history.
 
As we speak there is a salvage operation underway to raise the wreck because it
has become a shipping-hazard. Plans are to refloat her, restore her and turn
her into a museum. Quite dangerous ... one of the 3 scuttling-charges failed to
fire and there is still a considerable amount of artillery shells with a charge
in her hold.
 
Take care,
 
 \%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 2.55
 * Origin: "Leonard will be free" - http://www.leonardpeltier.org (2:292/854)