Text 36014, 170 rader
Skriven 2006-08-05 16:54:33 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 36007 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Massive European Guilt!
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Hello Björn.

05 Aug 06 22:08, you wrote to SHANNON TALLEY:

 ST>> Although you pissed me off with that statement regarding Hating
 ST>> Americans, I'll -- for the sake of argument -- give you that
 ST>> perhaps it wasn't exactly what you meant.  I respect Herman Neut
 ST>> -- and he has never lied to me before, and I don't expect he ever
 ST>> would.  On the other hand, you have lied to me before, so I had
 ST>> no reason to expect you to tell me the truth. Herman vouched for
 ST>> your explanation, so I'll accept it.

 BF> Why are you then keeping it up or was the above a lie?

 ST>> As for "leaving" -- good god man -- grow some thicker skin!

 BF> Why must I grow a thicker skin to cummunicate with you? Wouldn't it be
 BF> better for you to grow up to communicate with me?


     Do you consider yourself equal to or better than others? I ask
because you seem to think that others should change their ways in
order to communicate with you. Making no judgements on your ways or
theirs. Wouldn't it be better to accept those ways in others that you
realize are not going to change instead of constantly complaining about
them? Otherwise you will end up spending all your time posting messages
complaining about things and people. I know that you are not the only
person doing that and I am not singling you out alone. Although that
is the only way that I would suspect that you are able to see it.


 ST>>  AND -- quit
 ST>> making this an "American" issue!!  "I" am not making this a
 ST>> Swedish issue, and therefore, you stereotyping Americans really
 ST>> 'is' a sign of prejudice -- perhaps not so overtly as you realize
 ST>> or want to admit to yourself, but it is just the same.

 BF> Perhaps in your eyes but why don't I (along with many others)  have a
 BF> problem with anyone else than you, Dan, Roy and Frank? Then you can't
 BF> be examples of good Americans. I don't have any problem with anyone
 BF> else in any other echo. Strange, isn't it?

     That would depend on what your definition of "Good American" is. I
would tend to think that Americans are both good and bad both individually
and as a whole. Do you ask or know what country those in the other echos
come from? Why not look at someone as a good or bad person as opposed to
a good or bad American? You continually have to bring up or mention one's
nationality as if it was of overiding concern or priority to you.


 ST>> If you must leave, do so.... But remember, you made the decision
 ST>> to leave -- nobody actually "kicked you out".

 BF> And what did you then mean by Leave!?

     The same as I did I would think when I said that although I am not
asking or wanting you to leave. If you decide that thats is what is best
for you to do. Based on your behavior here it won't break my heart.


 ST>> However, "I" recommend you take a short
 ST>> break, and then come back.  Just take a week or maybe 3 days.

 BF> And now when I have done that, have anythig improved?
 BF> I still se that Roy and Frank bicker about me, Roy and Dan are still
 BF> bickering and you are still saying that I hate Americans and Roy is
 BF> still bashing Europeans and almost everyone except you, Dan and Frank.
 BF> Everything is as usual, just like a normal day at work, eh?


     And you were expecting some miraculous change? I think I get along
with people for the most part because I don't spend my time trying to
see what about them I can complain about. I accept those things in people
that are in their nature that I know I will not change.

 ST>> Start fresh
 ST>> by not reading anything from within that 3 days (or week) and you
 ST>> may find things have calmed down

 BF> Really?

 ST>> (it's a trick really -- because you are the only
 ST>> one who is really spun up).

 BF> Again, really?

 ST>> I don't necessarily want you to leave, but I
 ST>> sincerely hope you won't continue to make things an "American"
 ST>> issue as you have been doing.

 BF> I have realized that it isn't. It's a Roy, Frank, Dan and a Shannon
 BF> issue.


     There you go. The first positive step???

 ST>> Realize that "people are people" -- wherever you are --
 ST>> regardless of the city -- the country -- the continent -- people
 ST>> are people. And, people in real life are rarely the personalities
 ST>> they are in the echos.


     Well said.

 BF> Again, really? Isn't it here in the echos they really can show who
 BF> they are where they don't have to hide behind any masks to conceal it
 BF> from the family?


     I would tend to think that the opposite would apply. People here in
the echos can go by any name that they choose. And can ack in any manner
that they wish. Is what I see of you here in the echos the REAL you??
Maybe or maybe not. I have no way of actually knowing. As I have stated,
I base my opinion of you based on what you post here and how you behave
here.

 ST>> It's like that fanatical driver who honks their horn and yells
 ST>> obstinacies out the window, and after they get to their
 ST>> destination, you see a 4ft tall old lady walk out and deliver
 ST>> food to the homeless.

 BF> Sounds like the four mentioned above.

 ST>> Whatever your decision, don't base it on anything that "I" or
 ST>> anyone else tells you.

 BF> So when you say Leave! I shouldn't listen to you. Fair enough.

     Correct. Base your decision on what's best for you.

 >>> BF>> I agree that this was written in anger but I still stand for
 >>> BF>> it.
 >>> Assholes
 >>> BF>> like he drags the American people in the dirt.
 BF>>> it their own way. Pity though that those two are the living proof
 BF>>> of how
 ST>> the
 BF>>> world thinks about Americans.

 ST>> See the above statement?  That's what I'm talking about.  You
 ST>> aren't the "World" nor can you possibly represent the "World".
 ST>> That's "YOUR" Opinion, and it's obviously offensive.

 BF> Offensive or not, that's how it has been since the Vietnam war to you
 BF> from the rest of the world and you can't possibly have missed that and
 BF> it's you, the loudspeakers, that have given us that delusive opinion
 BF> so you have yourself to blaim and why don't you condemn Frank and Roy
 BF> when they insults the rest of the world in general and Europe in
 BF> particular? That's from where I get this. Then it's OK but don't say a
 BF> bad word about USA. And as you say about Israel, even we have the
 BF> right to defend ourself but in this case it doesn't apply I guess.


     You have the right to defend yourself just as much as anyone
else. The problem with you and others here IMHO is that instead of
defending yourself against the PERSON that you think is attacking
you. You defend yourself against the country that the person comes
from. In the messages that I have posted that you might consider
an attack upon you. How many times have I refered to or mentioned
what country that you come from? It doesn't matter to me. I can
like or dislike you regardless of where you might live.


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Jeff

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