Text 36048, 150 rader
Skriven 2006-08-06 23:26:26 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 36014 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Massive European Guilt!
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 BF>> Why must I grow a thicker skin to cummunicate with you? Wouldn't it be
 BF>> better for you to grow up to communicate with me?

 JS>      Do you consider yourself equal to or better than others?

I guess that I'm not better than you but far better than Shannon.

 JS> I ask
 JS> because you seem to think that others should change their ways in order to
 JS> communicate with you. Making no judgements on your ways or theirs.

Of course you do since you only ask me to change my behaviour.

 JS> Wouldn't it be better to accept those ways in others that you realize are
 JS> not going to change instead of constantly complaining about them?

So either I accept Shannons behaviour or stop responding to him?

 JS> Otherwise you will end up spending all your time posting messages
 JS> complaining about things and people. I know that you are not the only
 JS> person doing that and I am not singling you out alone. Although that is
 JS> the only way that I would suspect that you are able to see it.

So everything is up to me and only me and the loudspeakers here
can go on with their rantings and slander. I see.

 ST>>>  AND -- quit
 ST>>> making this an "American" issue!!  "I" am not making this a Swedish
 ST>>> issue, and therefore, you stereotyping Americans really 'is' a sign of
 ST>>> prejudice -- perhaps not so overtly as you realize or want to admit to
 ST>>> yourself, but it is just the same.

 BF>> Perhaps in your eyes but why don't I (along with many others)  have a
 BF>> problem with anyone else than you, Dan, Roy and Frank? Then you can't be
 BF>> examples of good Americans. I don't have any problem with anyone else in
 BF>> any other echo. Strange, isn't it?

 JS> That would depend on what your definition of "Good American" is.

A good American is like Roger Nelson, xxcarol etc. People that can listen and
see
that everything isn't black or white and understand that everything Made in USA
doesn't have to be the best.

 JS> I would tend to think that Americans are both good and bad both
individually
 JS> and as a whole. Do you ask or know what country those in the other echos
 JS> come from?

I know.

 JS> Why not look at someone as a good or bad person as opposed to a
 JS> good or bad American? You continually have to bring up or mention one's
 JS> nationality as if it was of overiding concern or priority to you.

None of those are half as loud as Shannon.

 ST>>> If you must leave, do so.... But remember, you made the decision to
 ST>>> leave -- nobody actually "kicked you out".

 BF>> And what did you then mean by Leave!?

 JS>      The same as I did I would think when I said that although I am not
 JS> asking or wanting you to leave. If you decide that thats is what is best
 JS> for you to do. Based on your behavior here it won't break my heart.

Based on otheres behaviour I'm not the only that should leave. I'm not the one
that have used someone elses name and node number for example.

 ST>>> However, "I" recommend you take a short
 ST>>> break, and then come back.  Just take a week or maybe 3 days.

 BF>> And now when I have done that, have anythig improved? I still se that Roy
 BF>> and Frank bicker about me, Roy and Dan are still bickering and you are
 BF>> still saying that I hate Americans and Roy is still bashing Europeans and
 BF>> almost everyone except you, Dan and Frank. Everything is as usual, just
 BF>> like a normal day at work, eh?


 JS>      And you were expecting some miraculous change? I think I get along
 JS> with people for the most part because I don't spend my time trying to see
 JS> what about them I can complain about. I accept those things in people that
 JS> are in their nature that I know I will not change.

So why are you only arguing with me for? It's just as likely that I will change
as it is for Roy, Frank or Shannon to change.

 ST>>> I don't necessarily want you to leave, but I
 ST>>> sincerely hope you won't continue to make things an "American" issue as
 ST>>> you have been doing.

 BF>> I have realized that it isn't. It's a Roy, Frank, Dan and a Shannon
 BF>> issue.

 JS>      There you go. The first positive step???

Positive in what way? They are all Americans.

 ST>>> Realize that "people are people" -- wherever you are -- regardless of
 ST>>> the city -- the country -- the continent -- people are people. And,
 ST>>> people in real life are rarely the personalities they are in the echos.

 JS>      Well said.

 BF>> Again, really? Isn't it here in the echos they really can show who they
 BF>> are where they don't have to hide behind any masks to conceal it from the
 BF>> family?

 JS>      I would tend to think that the opposite would apply. People here in
 JS> the echos can go by any name that they choose. And can ack in any manner
 JS> that they wish. Is what I see of you here in the echos the REAL you??

Yes, the one that gets frustrated when being falsely accused of having
exchanged
netmails "with the other Bjorn".

 JS> Maybe or maybe not. I have no way of actually knowing. As I have stated, I
 JS> base my opinion of you based on what you post here and how you behave
 JS> here.

And how others behave is none of your concern?

 ST>>> Whatever your decision, don't base it on anything that "I" or anyone
 ST>>> else tells you.

 BF>> So when you say Leave! I shouldn't listen to you. Fair enough.

 JS>      Correct. Base your decision on what's best for you.

I don't care what's best for me but best for this echo is that the loudspeakers
will turn down the volume so the rest doesn't need to go to an ear doctor.

 JS>      You have the right to defend yourself just as much as anyone
 JS> else. The problem with you and others here IMHO is that instead of
 JS> defending yourself against the PERSON that you think is attacking you. You
 JS> defend yourself against the country that the person comes from. In the
 JS> messages that I have posted that you might consider an attack upon you.
 JS> How many times have I refered to or mentioned what country that you come
 JS> from? It doesn't matter to me. I can like or dislike you regardless of
 JS> where you might live.

Why didn't you speak up when all we could hear from Roy was that we lived in a
third world pissant little country?
Why didn't you speak up when Frank accused all of Europe in general and France
in particular to be cowards?
Why all of a sudden do you speak up now when someone does the same against
USA?

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