Text 36102, 145 rader
Skriven 2006-08-07 11:39:43 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 36056 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Massive European Guilt!
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 JS>>> I ask
 JS>>> because you seem to think that others should change their ways in order
 JS>>> to communicate with you. Making no judgements on your ways or theirs.

 BF>> Of course you do since you only ask me to change my behaviour.

 JS>      You seem to have a genuine dislike for Americans while Roy and
 JS> Frank seem more interested in pushing your buttons for the entertainment
 JS> value if nothing else. Which results in you hating Americans even more. I
 JS> figure it is easier to get you to see that fact than it would be to yell
 JS> at everyone that you don't like.

And who is now making it an American issue? Not me.
Then explain to me, why are all button pushers Americans?

 JS>     Do I think that Roy and Frank contribute to the problem? Sure. As do I
 JS> and you. Would it help if Roy and Frank stopped their behavior?  Perhaps,

You bet it would.

 JS> but I doubt that it would happen based on anything I might say. Again I
 JS> make the effort where I think it it will be most effective. You probably
 JS> see that as only picking on you.

Yes, I do. Either you are not impartial or you think that those two are more
stupid
than me.

 JS>>> Wouldn't it be better to accept those ways in others that you realize
 JS>>> are not going to change instead of constantly complaining about them?

 BF>> So either I accept Shannons behaviour or stop responding to him?

 JS>       No, but be smart enough to see those things in others that all the
 JS> complaining in the world isn't going to change. Complaining about things
 JS> that you can not change just makes you look foolish. As well as making you
 JS> look like you just want the battle to continue.



 JS>>> Otherwise you will end up spending all your time posting messages
 JS>>> complaining about things and people. I know that you are not the only
 JS>>> person doing that and I am not singling you out alone. Although that is
 JS>>> the only way that I would suspect that you are able to see it.

 BF>> So everything is up to me and only me and the loudspeakers here can go on
 BF>> with their rantings and slander. I see.

 JS>      Try reading what I write. What part of "I know that you are not the
 JS> only person doing that and I am not singling you out alone" were you not
 JS> able to understand? Me thinks you see just what you wish to see.

And me thinks you're a coward that doesn't dare to speak up againt a fellow
American.

 JS>>> I would tend to think that Americans are both good and bad both
 JS>>> individually and as a whole. Do you ask or know what country those in
 JS>>> the other echos come from?

 BF>> I know.

 JS>       Then why not act like you know??? What you say and how you act
 JS> are rather differant.

And let the loudspeakers stand unchallenged?

 BF>> Based on otheres behaviour I'm not the only that should leave. I'm not
 BF>> the one that have used someone elses name and node number for example.

 JS>      Again I am not asking that you leave. And as far as Roy is concerned.
 JS> His use of another persons real name was wrong. And he lost Fidonet node
 JS> because of it. Do you think that you should leave?

Since it was a deliberate forgery you tell me.

 BF>> So why are you only arguing with me for? It's just as likely that I will
 BF>> change as it is for Roy, Frank or Shannon to change.

 JS>      Not nesesarily. It would depend on the person and what their motives
 JS> really are for their behavior.

And my motives are different from the others?

 ST>>>>> I don't necessarily want you to leave, but I
 ST>>>>> sincerely hope you won't continue to make things an "American" issue
 ST>>>>> as you have been doing.

 BF>>>> I have realized that it isn't. It's a Roy, Frank, Dan and a Shannon
 BF>>>> issue.

 JS>>>      There you go. The first positive step???

 BF>> Positive in what way? They are all Americans.

 JS>      Positive in the sense that you are actually saying that the problem
 JS> is with them as people and not with them as Americans.

Unfortunatly a new issue have arised that you can't be unawhare of and unless
you condemn statements like the one Frank did you agree with him and that
makes you just as ridiculous as him and that will only increase our negative
opinion about Americans.

 JS>>>      I would tend to think that the opposite would apply. People
 JS>>> here in the echos can go by any name that they choose. And can ack in
 JS>>> any manner that they wish. Is what I see of you here in the echos the
 JS>>> REAL you??

 BF>> Yes, the one that gets frustrated when being falsely accused of having
 BF>> exchanged netmails "with the other Bjorn".

 JS>     I don't know about that and therefore can't say.

Well, I hadn't so therefore I can say it.

 BF>>>> So when you say Leave! I shouldn't listen to you. Fair enough.

 JS>>>      Correct. Base your decision on what's best for you.

 BF>> I don't care what's best for me but best for this echo is that the
 BF>> loudspeakers will turn down the volume so the rest doesn't need to go to
 BF>> an ear doctor.

 JS>      I can agree with that.

Good, then tell tell 'em that.

 BF>> Why didn't you speak up when all we could hear from Roy was that we lived
 BF>> in a third world pissant little country? Why didn't you speak up when
 BF>> Frank accused all of Europe in general and France in particular to be
 BF>> cowards? Why all of a sudden do you speak up now when someone does the
 BF>> same against USA?

 JS>      Partly because I have only recently gotten back into echomail several
 JS> months ago and don't read all of yours or anyones posts.  I don't have a
 JS> problem with ignoring your posts if you think that it will help?

That's up to you but it would be appreciated if you removed the blue/white/red
glasses and saw the world as it is.

 JS>     There. Just added TWIT=ALL to the config here. <g>

As I said, it's up to you.

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