Text 40675, 89 rader
Skriven 2006-10-04 12:18:42 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
  Kommentar till text 40592 av Matt Bedynek (1:106/1)
Ärende: DUD-file
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 JS>      Did Janis make the substitution as ZC1 as you are telling people
 JS> or did she do so as administrator of Filegate? Although you have
 JS> stated that it doesn't matter. In actual fact it very much does.

 MB> Lets ignore for the moment what has happened.  If I form a private
 MB> organization within fidonet and make a judgement call that
 MB> conflicts with my position as RC I cannot default to saying that I
 MB> made that call while wearing the other hat.  I can wear any number
 MB> of hats in any number of organizations but if any one decision I
 MB> make conflicts with policy then policy will always win--no
 MB> question. 

you are forgetting about outside fidonet and fidonet policy... outside in the
other world lies the law... this copyright stuff is law and it is the law that
janis was looking to protect the IFDC systems from by following the IFDC
policy... 

never forget, the law overrides everything...

 MB> Ward and others are asking important questions : where do *C
 MB> responsibilities end and responsibilites assumed by private
 MB> organizations begin?  I just wish the questions were addressed in a
 MB> more tactful manner to result in a productive discussion.

agreed and that discussion should be in an appropraite area... not the snooze
echo... might it be possible for the discussion to take place as snooze
articles? ;)

 MB> Though, I take the stance that private organizations within 
 MB> fidonet are not needed, hence, why I and a few others have not 
 MB> been associated with a "backbone" for years. 

the funny thing about that is that the same connections still remain in place
as they did when those associations were in effect ;)

and to think... all this mess started because three "fat daddys with large
pockets" decided to link together in a triangle and facilitate the distribution
of fidonet echomail to help remove a lot of the delay time in propogation...
others got jealous, advanced and grew, joined that triangle as others dropped
out and then led the charge in creating private groups doing the same task...
the whole problem is/was competition and "mine's bigger or better than
yours"...

[trim]

 JS> But it would appear that she acted as a Filegate admin when the action
 JS> was taken.

 MB> Just because filegate distributes fidonews and nodediff does not
 MB> mean it is the ultimate authority over those areas.  

the IFDC is the ultimate authority on the files it carries within the confins
of the IFDC boundaries... those boundaries are denoted by the list of areas
that the IFDC considers to be IFDC areas as well as the list of systems that
the IFDC considers to be IFDC distribution points... if the IFDC wants to
prevent tunneling as others are trying to say the snooze area is being done,
then the IFDC must cut off automatic distribution access of those areas to
other systems such that there are "hard" boundaries and such that for those
files carried by the IFDC must be acquired by some other means than being TIC'd
out to them...

 MB> For example, janis controls nodediff in Z1, not because she is the 
 MB> filegate coordinator, but because the is the Z1C. 

and thus that file won't be in conflict with IFDC policy ;)

 JS> Allowing those concerned to find alternate feeds for Fidonews.

 MB> The better course of action, if you think about it, might have
 MB> simply been to temporarily withold distribution of the issue until
 MB> the issue could be discussed?  I know that would not lessen the
 MB> arguements here but at least we would have a somewhat irreversable
 MB> delima.

i think you mean that if she had just held the file that we'd have a reversible
delima (not irreversible) because she could then just put the file and the tic
back in place... sadly, though, the file and tic had already been processed and
thus the only recourse to protect the IFDC and the IFDC systems was to remove
the file from those systems... there's only one way to do that which is what
janis did... now that there was a stink made about that, configs all over
fidonet have been changed to prevent it from happening again... guess what
that's done... it has also stopped a re-hatch from the top from making it out
to all systems...

don'cha jus' lurve it! O8}

)\/(ark

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