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Skriven 2006-10-17 11:34:28 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 41428 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hello Michiel.

17 Oct 06 15:36, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello JEFF!

 MV> On Monday October 16 2006 19:13, you wrote to me:

 MVDV>>> And who would be the judge if it was just "simply asking her
 MVDV>>> why" or just another attempt to contunue the harassment unde
 MVDV>>> the pretense of just asking a simple question?

 JS>>        It would be up to the girl to be judge.

 MV> Than no more need to be said. No is no. End of story

 JS>>   My point was that it would be only reasonable to answer the
 JS>> simple question.

 MV> Asking a "reasonable" question that one can hardly refuse to answer is
 MV> a standard opening ploy of Jehova's Witnesses....


     You have a thing for them don't ya?


 MVDV>>> No should be no Jeff. And if the girl does not want to explain
 MVDV>>> then that is where it should end. No matter how reasonable the
 MVDV>>> request may be in the eyes of the man. Non is no. Period.

 JS>>        But how often is that actually the case?

 MV> More often than you think. What does it matter? No is no.

 JS>>>>      Because your actions do not involve just you Michiel.

 MVDV>>> It involves only does who choose te be involved or those that
 MVDV>>> were already involved by my previous articles witout the
 MVDV>>> notice attached.

 JS>>       What about those that had to find different feeds for the
 JS>> Fidonews?

 MV> They are now alerted that they were using an unreliable feed. A
 MV> private distribution system that has rules that conflict with FidoNet
 MV> policy and that can be abused at whim. I say that is good that people
 MV> were made aware of that.


     The distribution system is just as reliable as it ever was. Your
action caused no revelation in thst regard. But if it makes you feel
better to think so be my quest.


 JS>>  What about those that wouldn't have been or didn't want to
 JS>> be involved until you submitted your copyrighted article?

 MV> It was no my action that got them involved. It was Janis who "removed
 MV> it from distribution". Talk to her.


    <chuckle> Talk to Shannon, talk to Janis, talk to this person,
talk to that person. You can't even entertain the thought of owning
up to your own actions. Are you one of those "Well, thet made me do it"
type of people? It's always someone elses fault that you do what you
do.


 JS>> Your ignorant of your own actions Michiel. Cause and effect
 JS>> Michiel.

 MV> Cause and effect go back a LONG way down the chain. Too far down to
 MV> exactly spot what was the prime cause. Maybe it goes back as far as Z1
 MV> forcing P4 down the throat of Z2 before I even joined Fidonet.

 JS>> Your article was the cause.

 MV> No it was not. It was Janis who removed an issue of FidoNews from
 MV> distribution. Not me.


     Who caused her to have to make that decision? Her action was in
reaction to yours. Same cause and effect concept Michiel.


 JS>>>> How many people have your copyright actions affected? How has
 JS>>>> your actions affected or intensified people's opinions of
 JS>>>> Björn? How has your actions affected the widening feeling of
 JS>>>> division amoung the zones and in Fidonet as a whole?

 MVDV>>> Oh, don't be so naive. The gap already was as wide as the
 MVDV>>> North Atlantic Ocean. This zone war has been going on for over
 MVDV>>> a decade.

 JS>>       And you feel the need to make it wider? Why not try to be
 JS>> part of the solution to the problem instead of continuing to be
 JS>> part of the cause?

 MV> You may not realise it but *you* have made yourself part of the
 MV> problem as well. By jumping in without knowing the history you dug up
 MV> a couple of old bones. You didn't know, but you could have known that
 MV> asking for the resignation of Björn would trigger a new round in the
 MV> zone war. You are now part of it, like it or not.


     The truth of the matter is that I have asked Björn to act as moderator.
His replacement is a last resort solution. My expressed opinion is based on
Björn as moderator and not on you or your copyright games.


 JS>>>>  Is there a positive goal to the actions that you are taking?

 MVDV>>> It did have the positive effect that people are starting to
 MVDV>>> think about the effects of copyrights on the snooze instead of
 MVDV>>> simply ignoring them...

 JS>>        Yup.... Some positive effect there Michiel.

 MV> Why only see the negative side of it? Think positive.


     Because that is the effect that your actions have had. Take off the
blinders Michiel and take in some reality for a change.


 MV> I repeat: the best thing would be if everyone dropped this "replace
 MV> Björn" nonsense and accepted the situation as it is.


     That will depend soley on whether Björn chooses to start acting as
a moderator here. That is the only way I see it being dropped.

 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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