Text 41504, 111 rader
Skriven 2006-10-18 23:28:03 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 41433 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: DUD-file
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Hello Jeff!

On Tuesday October 17 2006 11:34, you wrote to me:

 MV>> Than no more need to be said. No is no. End of story

 JS>>>   My point was that it would be only reasonable to answer the
 JS>>> simple question.

 MV>> Asking a "reasonable" question that one can hardly refuse to
 MV>> answer is a standard opening ploy of Jehova's Witnesses....

 JS>      You have a thing for them don't ya?

Jehova's Wittmeses are a prime example od people trying to impose their ways on
others. And yes, I have a problem woth that....

 JS>>>       What about those that had to find different feeds for the
 JS>>> Fidonews?

 MV>> They are now alerted that they were using an unreliable feed. A
 MV>> private distribution system that has rules that conflict with
 MV>> FidoNet policy and that can be abused at whim. I say that is good
 MV>> that people were made aware of that.

 JS>      The distribution system is just as reliable as it ever was.

Then a flaw that has been there for a long time is now exposed.

 MV>> It was not my action that got them involved. It was Janis who
 MV>> "removed it from distribution". Talk to her.


 JS>     <chuckle> Talk to Shannon, talk to Janis, talk to this person,
 JS> talk to that person. You can't even entertain the thought of owning
 JS> up to your own actions.

It was Janis that send the DUD file, not me. Why is that so hard to understand?

 JS>  Are you one of those "Well, thet made me do it" type of people? It's
 JS> always someone elses fault that you do what you do.

Twist it anyway, you want, it was Janis who send the DUD file. It was *her*
filegate. It was *her* made up rules that she ways were violated.

 MV>> Cause and effect go back a LONG way down the chain. Too far down
 MV>> to exactly spot what was the prime cause. Maybe it goes back as
 MV>> far as Z1 forcing P4 down the throat of Z2 before I even joined
 MV>> Fidonet.

 JS>>> Your article was the cause.

 MV>> No it was not. It was Janis who removed an issue of FidoNews from
 MV>> distribution. Not me.

 JS>      Who caused her to have to make that decision?

Her own interpretation of het own self imposed file gate rules did that.

 JS>  Her action was in reaction to yours. Same cause and effect concept
 JS> Michiel.

Nobody told her she had to react that way. No *FidoNet* rule says so. Those
were here own self adopted rules. The responsibility for sending that DUD file
is hers and only hers.


 MV>> You may not realise it but *you* have made yourself part of the
 MV>> problem as well. By jumping in without knowing the history you
 MV>> dug up a couple of old bones. You didn't know, but you could have
 MV>> known that asking for the resignation of Björn would trigger a
 MV>> new round in the zone war. You are now part of it, like it or
 MV>> not.

 JS>      The truth of the matter is that I have asked Björn to act as
 JS> moderator. His replacement is a last resort solution. My expressed
 JS> opinion is based on Björn as moderator and not on you or your
 JS> copyright games.

Dooes not matter what brought you to it. You jumped into an exsiting conflict
and that made you part of it. And by chosing the "solution" of replacing Björn
you automatically took sides.

 JS>>>>>  Is there a positive goal to the actions that you are taking?

 MVDV>>>> It did have the positive effect that people are starting to
 MVDV>>>> think about the effects of copyrights on the snooze instead
 MVDV>>>> of simply ignoring them...

 JS>>>        Yup.... Some positive effect there Michiel.

 MV>> Why only see the negative side of it? Think positive.

 JS>      Because that is the effect that your actions have had. Take off
 JS> the blinders Michiel and take in some reality for a change.

You take off the blinders and see that it was not me who send the DUD file. It
was Janis.

 MV>> I repeat: the best thing would be if everyone dropped this
 MV>> "replace Björn" nonsense and accepted the situation as it is.

 JS>      That will depend soley on whether Björn chooses to start acting
 JS> as a moderator here. That is the only way I see it being dropped.

So you are determined to get your way. Then the fight will continue. :-(

Cheers, Michiel

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