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Skriven 2006-10-19 06:24:03 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 41545 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: DUD-file
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Hello Michiel.

19 Oct 06 09:30, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff!

 MV> On Wednesday October 18 2006 22:39, you wrote to me:


 MV>>> It was Janis that send the DUD file, not me. Why is that so hard
 MV>>> to understand?

 JS>>      Who caused Janis to feel that that action was nessesary????

 MV> Janis and Janis only. *She* made the filegate rules. Not me. *She*
 MV> decided that Filegate rules apply. Not me. *She* deicded to take the
 MV> action of sending it DUD file and interfere with the smooth operation
 MV> of the network. Not me. It was her decision and her decision only.


     It was her decision to do what she did. The point that you refuse to
accept is that she made that decision as a reaction to what YOU did. Your
copyright article was the cause of why she fealt it nessesary to do what
she did. I haven't asked her but I would think that Janis would admit
responsibility for what did and the the action that she took and be willing
to explain why. How come you continue to deny your responsibility for your
actions and don't want people to know why?


 JS>>>>  Are you one of those "Well, thet made me do it" type of
 JS>>>> people? It's always someone elses fault that you do what you
 JS>>>> do.

 MV>>> Twist it anyway, you want, it was Janis who send the DUD file.
 MV>>> It was *her* filegate. It was *her* made up rules that she ways
 MV>>> were violated.


      Ahh.... Hell.... See above.


 JS>>      No twisting needed. Your doing just fine all by yourself.
 JS>> Janis reacted to you. Without YOUR action her reaction wouldn't
 JS>> have happened. Is it that you don't understand or that you don't
 JS>> WANT to understand?

 MV> There is nothing to understand. Janis send the DUD file. Her decision.
 MV> Period.

 JS>>        Did Janis remove the Fidonews issue because of the
 JS>> copyrighted article that you wrote? Why in your opinion did she
 JS>> remove the Fidonews issue?

 MV> What do opinions on her reasons matter? *She* decided to so it. *She*
 MV> is responsible for that action.


     Just as you should be for yours.  Do you have any sense of
responsibility for the things that you do?



     I asked you a simple question Michiel. What in your opinion was
the reason that Janis took the action that she did.


 MV>>> Nobody told her she had to react that way. No *FidoNet* rule
 MV>>> says so. Those were here own self adopted rules. The
 MV>>> responsibility for sending that DUD file is hers and only hers.

 JS>>      She made her decision based on your action.

 MV> It was her decison and her decison only nevertheless. Only she is
 MV> resposible for that decision.


     Just as you should be for yours. Correct?

 MV>>> Dooes not matter what brought you to it. You jumped into an
 MV>>> exsiting conflict and that made you part of it. And by chosing
 MV>>> the "solution" of replacing Björn you automatically took sides.

 JS>>      I can accept that. I see a number of possible solutions and
 JS>> will continue to work toward the best solution.

 MV> By which you will widen the gap between the zones even more.


     Speaks a man of experience in that regard.


 JS>>>>      Because that is the effect that your actions have had.
 JS>>>> Take off the blinders Michiel and take in some reality for a
 JS>>>> change.

 MV>>> You take off the blinders and see that it was not me who send
 MV>>> the DUD file. It was Janis.



       Never said it was. But you know that as well as I. Me thinks
you are stuck in a loop there Michiel. Either that or you have a
macro on your message editor that inserts "It wasn't me, it was Janis!!"


 JS>>      Did she write the copyrighted article? Who did that? Who
 JS>> wanted to limit the distribution of that copyrighted article?
 JS>> Everyone but you can see and knows the answer to those questions.
 JS>> I think you really do too but can't bring yourself to admit it.

 MV> There is nothing to admit. It was Janis who send the DUD file. She
 MV> made that decison on rules *She* created and interpreted. To bad you
 MV> can not sse that.


     You are becoming such a joke Michiel. I'm actually chuckling as
I am reading your message.


 MV>>>>> I repeat: the best thing would be if everyone dropped this
 MV>>>>> "replace Björn" nonsense and accepted the situation as it is.

 JS>>>>      That will depend soley on whether Björn chooses to start
 JS>>>> acting as a moderator here. That is the only way I see it being
 JS>>>> dropped.

 MV> Yeah, your way again...

     Well look at what your way has accomplished. Nothing, diddly, squat,
zip, zilch, nada, zero, naught, zippo.

     I am not saying that "My way" as you call it is or will turn out to
be the best. What I am saying is if one way doesn't work why avoid trying
other ways? Or is it that zone thing again?


 MV>>> So you are determined to get your way. Then the fight will
 MV>>> continue.
 MV>>> :-(

 JS>>      That all depends on Björn.

 MV> No, it depends on you just as well. But you refuse to accept that.


 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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