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Skriven 2006-10-19 09:31:14 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 41572 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hello Michiel.

19 Oct 06 14:29, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff!

 MV> On Thursday October 19 2006 05:45, you wrote to me:


 JS>> depends on what country you are in. Would you be willing to abide
 JS>> by a US law regarding the operation of your Dutch BBS?

 JS>>      Didn't think so.

 MV> Of course not. Nor for my website.

     And I wouldn't expect you to. But at the same time you can not
expect those not bound by Dutch law to stop displaying the Fidonews
on their BBS's/websites. At one time I also displayed the Fidonews
on my BBS as a text file. I did so with the nefarious intention of
advertising Fidonet to my BBS users hoping to spur some interest in
them to join Fidonet. As long as the content is not altered I see
no problem in making the Fidonews available for display. I can't help
but hope that you could have chosen a better and more positive way
to make the point that you felt had to be made.


 MV> And neither will Björn. And that is why attempts from Shannon, Roy,
 MV> Frank, Dan and others to make his website comply  with US law and
 MV> morals or resign as Fidonet editor are met with so much resistance.


     His website and his responsibility as Fidonews editor should be dealt
with seperately.

 ST>>>>>>  It's Wildcat Winserver --  and it's listed in the Snooze as
 ST>>>>>> being a valid and recognizable BBS package.

 MV>>>>> Opininons expressed are the opinion of the writer and the
 MV>>>>> writer only.

 JS>>>>     Then why not check with the software owner.

 MV>>> What good would that do?

 JS>>      For you? Not a whole lot.

 MV> Indeed. Ay best it would let me know his opinion on the matter. Well,
 MV> an ioinion is just an opinion.

 JS>>>>  The question is rhetorical Michiel. I don't see you as able or
 JS>>>> willing to listen to any reasons or explainations that don't
 JS>>>> support your rather narrow view of things. In other words the
 JS>>>> world according to Michiel.

 MV>>> I could say exactly the same about you.

 JS>>      You could but we both know that it wouldn't be the truth. I
 JS>> have tried numerous times to talk, discuss, understand, reason
 JS>> with you.

 MV> No, what youy have done is try to impose your ways on me under the
 MV> *guise* of reason.


     You are free to call it whatever you wish. I am content to know
what my intention was. An intention that I have explained to you clearly.
You have chosen to deny the possibility and insist that I can't be
reasonable.


 JS>>  No yelling, no name calling,

 MV> You said I acted as a child...


     And I stand by that observation. It wasn't meant as an insult. It was
meant as a comment on how you look to be acting. It reminds me of a youngin
stomping his feet and yelling "No! I don't want to and you can't make me!!".


 JS>>  no sarcasm (Maybe just a tad of sarcasm <g>). You have made it
 JS>> clear that you do not want people to understand you.

 MV> I have no objection to be understood. What I object to is being
 MV> pushed. *Demanding* that I make myself understood is pushing.

     If you have no objection to being understood then why do you
try so hard to avoid it? You refused to answer the first question
I asked you. How was I pushing?


 MV>>> I am *telling* you that the way FidoNews is distributed
 MV>>> conflicts with the copyright laws of many countries.

 JS>>     And it will as long as those different countries have
 JS>> different interpretations of the law.

 MV> Right. So why will people not accept that and stop harrasing the
 MV> Fidonews editor because what is on his website conflicts with *their
 MV> perception* of what is right.

     We agreed? Well I'll be damned. <g> There is hope.


     I don't know as I have never visited his website nor seen any of the
contents in question. Some are I think speaking up because of his actions
in apparently condoning your use of the copyright in the Fidonews. That
is why I stated that you really are not helping Björn by getting him to
let you use the Fidonews. Others see Björn as I also do regarding his
moderating abilities. While others are more concerned about his website.
As I have stated Björn's situation with his website doesn't and should
not affect peoples view of him as a moderator. I realize that some do but
the two should be looked at seperately.


 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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