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Skriven 2006-10-19 10:23:17 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 41575 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: DUD-file
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Hello Michiel.

19 Oct 06 15:53, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff!

 MV> On Thursday October 19 2006 06:24, you wrote to me:

 MV>>> Janis and Janis only. *She* made the filegate rules. Not me.
 MV>>> *She* decided that Filegate rules apply. Not me. *She* deicded
 MV>>> to take the action of sending it DUD file and interfere with the
 MV>>> smooth operation of the network. Not me. It was her decision and
 MV>>> her decision only.

 JS>>      It was her decision to do what she did.

 MV> Right. And so *she* is responsible for that and no one else.


     Just as you are for what you did. The point is that what she did
would not have happened if you hadn't played your copyright game.

 JS>> The point that you refuse to accept is that she made that
 JS>> decision as a reaction to what YOU did.

 MV> Which in turn was a response to something else which was a response
 MV> to... and so we could go back al the way to the Big Bang along the
 MV> chain of cause and effect.


     Thats reality for ya.


 MV> Does not alter the fact that the *she* send the DUD file. Her action,
 MV> her decision.



     That decision of hers should not have been nessesary.


 JS>> that she took and be willing to explain why. How come you
 JS>> continue to deny your responsibility for your actions and don't
 JS>> want people to know why?

 MV> Not at all. I take full responsibility for adding those three lines to
 MV> my article. I do not take responsibility for the actions of others.

 MV>>> There is nothing to understand. Janis send the DUD file. Her
 MV>>> decision. Period.

 JS>>>>        Did Janis remove the Fidonews issue because of the
 JS>>>> copyrighted article that you wrote? Why in your opinion did she
 JS>>>> remove the Fidonews issue?

 MV>>> What do opinions on her reasons matter? *She* decided to do it.
 MV>>> *She* is responsible for that action.

 JS>>      Just as you should be for yours.  Do you have any sense of
 JS>> responsibility for the things that you do?

 MV> Of course. Where did I avert such responsibility?

 JS>>      I asked you a simple question Michiel.

 MV> Which I suspect to be a trick question.

      If you are so quick to suspect and mistrust people. It isn't
surprising that people have the opinion of you that they do. Not every
question is a trick question and not everyone is out to get you Michiel.

      Well... maybe a few but you already know who they are. <g>


 JS>>  What in your opinion was the reason that Janis took the action
 JS>> that she did.

 MV> And my answer is that my opinion is irrelevant. If you want to know
 MV> why Janis did what she did, you should ask her.

 MV> Ok, you want to know my opinion? I think she thought she had found the
 MV> stick to hit the dog she had been wanting to hit for some time. It is
 MV> no secret that Janis is no fan of Björn and she added some oil on the
 MV> fire of those wanting him out.

 MV> She played the old game of Khontrol. She rattled the weapon of the
 MV> distribution. She wanted to show her power. She just forgot that these
 MV> days nobody needs her Filegate to distribute FidoNews any more.
 MV> FidoNet over IP freed us from the tyranny of the distributors. She
 MV> just didn't get that.


     Now don't you feel better now? <g> Thanks for the answer.


 MV>>> It was her decison and her decison only nevertheless. Only she
 MV>>> is resposible for that decision.

 JS>>      Just as you should be for yours. Correct?

 MV> Of course. What decision of mine should I take responsibility for you
 MV> think?


     That of deciding to use the Fidonews to make your point. And the
effect that that decison has had. That being the increased bad feelings
by people towards you, towards Björn and the increased division between the
zones.

 JS>>>>      I can accept that. I see a number of possible solutions
 JS>>>> and will continue to work toward the best solution.
 MV> 1
 MV>>> By which you will widen the gap between the zones even more.

 JS>>      Speaks a man of experience in that regard.

 MV> So if you consider me a man of experience why don't you listen and
 MV> heed my advice: drop this "replace Björn" thing.


     I was refering to your experience in widening the gap. As far as Björn
is concerned. His actions will determine what happens.

 JS>>>>>>      That will depend soley on whether Björn chooses to start
 JS>>>>>> acting as a moderator here. That is the only way I see it
 JS>>>>>> being dropped.

 MV>>> Yeah, your way again...

 JS>>      Well look at what your way has accomplished. Nothing,
 JS>> diddly, squat, zip, zilch, nada, zero, naught, zippo.

 MV> Considering the history, in my estimation the present situation is the
 MV> best that can be achieved. It is not perfect, but this is as good as
 MV> it gets.

 MV> I am willing to accept the situation as it is.

 MV> Why won't you?


    Because it can be better. I know that isn't what you were hoping
to hear. If we are going to accept things as they are we might as well
rename this echo to FLAMEFEST and disassociate it from Fidonews all
together. It can be better than that. But will not if people are not
willing to try. It also will not be a quick fix. It will take work and
effort but it can be done.

 JS>>      I am not saying that "My way" as you call it is or will turn
 JS>> out to be the best. What I am saying is if one way doesn't work
 JS>> why avoid trying other ways?

 MV> Because in my estimate your cure is worse than the disease.


     The disease looks to be terminal if we don't try something.

 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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