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Skriven 2006-11-06 20:35:08 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
     Kommentar till en text av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Fidonews Article?
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Hi Jeff,

> 06 Nov 06 07:34, you wrote to shannon talley:

>> Hi Shannon,

>>>> being published. I guess being a supporter of the editor does
>>>> afford one special privileges.

>>> "Foul".

> I find it rather interesting considering Michiel's insistance
> regarding his copyright of his articles and the (In his opinion)
> inappropiate use of his articles. Seems the inappropiate use only
> applies to certain people and not others.

Certainly true.

> I have stated that Michiels
> actions have hurt peoples perception of Bjorn. I would think the reverse
> is also true. Bjorn's actions help make Michiel's use of a copyright
> for his articles look like even more of a joke. It would appear to be
> another clear example of the double set of standards that exists here.
> Did the editor provide what many might consider an inappropiate use of
> submited articles to people other than those that support him? I would
> seriously doubt it. And even if he did it would be IMHO an inappropiate
> action as the Fidonews editor.

I agree with you there.

> I don't have a problem with Michiel or anyone offering a response
> to the article that I submited. What I do object to is the editor not
> applying the same set of standards to everyone including himself. If one
> is to obtain any respect they need to show that they deserve it. This is
> but one more example of why people have the problem with the editor that
> they do and why most people I would think don't bother submitting an
> article to the Fidonews anymore. It would seem that in Bjorn's eyes the
> Fidonews isn't a part of Fidonet but instead a personal tool to be used by
> Bjorn Felten. And the standards of behavior for Bjorn change as the current
> situation dictates.

I can understand in a sense wanting to print two sides to a story.. but that is
what I thought replies to an article after the original article has been
published is all about... This idea of presenting the response before anyone
sees the original article is rather funny in my opinion.

> That is *NOT* what the Fidonews is for. The Fidonews needs an editor
> that will put the Fidonews above his/her own personal views and not let
> those personal views affect their actions as editor or moderator. The
> editor needs to adopt a set of fair standards and apply those standards
> evenly to everyone including him/herself.

Most definitely.

> I was hoping that the current
> editor was capable of doing that. I have been told that he at one time did
> appear to be capable of doing that. If in his own opinion he is no longer
> able of doing that then he needs to accept that and for the good of the
> Fidonews and Fidonet help find someone that can. Bjorn has stated here
> in this echo that he has given up and no longer sees the use of acting
> as a moderator. But yet his supporters try to shift the blame soley
> onto those that they consider the troublemakers in the Fidonews echo.
> The 'troublemakers' may be the cause of the problem. But the current
> moderator has given them a 'Green' light to do and act as they choose.


> I have often stated that I think that the replacement of Bjorn as
> Fidonews editor was a last resort measure. While I still do think so.
> Bjorn's own actions are making it harder for me to continue to think that.
> Bjorn continues to violate certain basic principles of behavior that many
> find hard to accept.


>> It's not the first time Bjorn has done this.  He also contacted Ward
>> most obviously as soon as Bjorn received the article from me stating
>> that a vote by the ZCs had been held and Malcolm Miles was elected our
>> new International Coordinator.  See FNEWSL20.ZIP.

> Yet another example of the editor changing the rules depending on the
> situation.

Yes, it is.  I'm hoping Bjorn selects a new editor soon.  Perhaps he will.


>> It was a comical issue since Ward was obviously booted from the
>> position well before he was contacted, and yet he still tried to pass
>> off his "new policy 4" statement regarding how votes should be counted
>> in any ZC business (totally against existing P4).  For example, in
>> that election, at Malcolm's request I reported the actual results in
>> FidoNews:

>>> The Fidonet Zone Coordinator Council, persuant to section 7.2 of
>>> Policy 4.07, has voted to remove Ward Dossche as International
>>> Coordinator, and has elected Malcolm Miles Z3C, as International
>>> Coordinator.  Votes were cast by 5 of the 6 Zone Coordinators
>>> present, with no vote posted by Z2C.


>> yet Ward was allowed to post his version, using some formula he came
>> up with that would in essense make him Dictator for Life:

>>> Z1C: YES 07 votes
>>> Z2C: NO  89 votes
>>> Z3C: YES 01 votes
>>> Z4C: YES 01 votes
>>> Z5C: YES 01 votes
>>> Z6C: YES 01 votes
>>> Tally:
>>> ======
>>> YES : 11 votes
>>> NO  : 89 votes

Take care,
Janis

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