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Skriven 2006-12-05 14:14:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROY WITT
Ärende: Insults
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Hello Roy,

>LL>Shaquille O'Neal was born in Germany, of American parents,
>LL>both of whom are American citizens.  Shaquille cannot be
>LL>elected president or vice president, even though he was
>LL>born an American citizen.

>BK>Yes, he can. The law does not say you have to be born in this
>BK>country, a native born citizen, it says you have to be a natural
>BK>born citizen.

>LL>Natural born citizen means being born on U.S. soil.
>LL>Germany is not U.S. soil.

>BK>No, natural born means a citizen by birth. Born on US soil is
>BK>native born.

>LL>Prior to 1776 everybody in what was to become the United States
>LL>(except Native Americans) were British subjects.  Hence the term
>LL>"natural born Citizen" in the U.S. Consitution.

>RW>How about those residents of what was to become the state of Texas?
>RW>Or the states of Florida and Lousiana?  Or Wisconsin and Illinois?

>LL>As the United States gained territory from foreign countries, such
>LL>as from England, Spain and France, citizenship was conferred on the
>LL>people who came with it.  Even if they didn't like it or want it.

RW>They could have gone home. Nice thing about the US, you're free to come
RW>and go as you please.

Not everybody.  Especially not folks on life row.  At least, not until
they are given the juice...

>LL>Michigan was acquired from the British in 1794.

RW>Aquired, as in spoils of war per treaty.

Not all territories were acquired "as in spoils of war per treaty."

>LL>The Louisiana Purchase was acquired from France in 1803.

RW>And it was just that, bought and paid for.

The Louisiana Purchase did not include the city of New Orleans,
which remained a Spanish possession.  BTW, the two emissaries sent
by President Jefferson were entrusted with buying the city of New
Orleans from the French, and nothing else.  But the French told
the two Americans that France could not sell them the city of
New Orleans because it was owned by Spain.  However, France also
said it was more than willing to sell all other French territories,
which the Americans gladly accepted to do.  Only problem was, the
United States did not have any money to buy the land from the
French.  So President Jefferson made a deal with Lloyds of London,
to borrow the money in order to make the Louisiana Purchase.
Only problem was, a few years later, the United States defaulted
on the loan.  Which led to the War of 1812.  Being that Andy
Jackson (with a little bit of help from the pirate Jean Lafitte)
bested the British in New Orleans, the United States decided to
keep the land and screw the British (again).

>LL>Florida was acquired from the Spanish in 1819.

RW>LOL! Check out the Sabine River area. More than Florida was aquired by the
RW>Adams-Onis treaty of 1819.

Which included Florida.

>LL>Former Mexican territories, such as Texas, was acquired in 1848-1853.

RW>Make that former Free State, Texas. True, it was once a Mexican 'state'
RW>(not a territory), but Texas fought and won it's independence from Mexico
RW>all by herself in 1836.

With more than a bit of help from some Tennessee volunteers.

>LL>Puerto Rico was acquired from Spain in 1898.

RW>Aquired as in, kicked their ass out!

From half a world away?

>LL>The U.S. Virgin Islands was acquired from Denmark in 1916.

RW>Purchased for $25m in 1917. The inhabitants of the islands weren't given
RW>citizenship until 1927.

The deal was made in 1916.  The actual transaction of funds may have
been in 1917.

>LL>From 1918-1920, Filipinos were granted U.S. citizenship under
>LL>a treaty with Spain, without giving Filipinos any say in the
>LL>matter.

RW>I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you. The US had already aquired
RW>the Philippines from the Spanish in 1898. They (Philippinos) were given
RW>their independance in 1935, but there was a 10 year transition clause in
RW>that treaty, which was disrupted by the Japanese in 1942. The Philippines
RW>didn't actually become independant until 1946.

Filipinos were not automatically conferred citizenship in 1898.  And
when it was (without their knowledge or consent), from 1918-1920, it
was not a permanent deal.

>LL>And let's not forget about the people in Alaska and Hawaii who
>LL>had been Russian or Hawaiian citizens before the U.S. annexed
>LL>those areas of the world.

RW>Those Ruskies who didn't want to be US citizens went home. Those who
RW>wanted to be US citizens, stayed. Of course, the Eskimos didn't give a
RW>shit one way or the other, as long as they didn't have to pay taxes.

The Inuit and Polar Bears are the only groups of people/animals having
the right to freely travel between the United States and Russia without
the use of a passport.

RW>BTW, they're also elegible to run for the highest offices in the US.

That would be interesting having the first elected Russian president
of the United States.

>LL>According to the U.S. Constitution, which is THE SUPREME LAW OF THE
>LL>LAND, if an individual was not born on U.S. soil, that individual is
>LL>ineligible to serve as president or vice president.

RW>Bullshit.

Oh.  I forgot.  Wally World is the Supreme Law of the Land.  My bad.

>LL>It really is that simple.

RW>Sorry about your ignorance in the matter. It's really more complicated
RW>than that. As you've been told over and over again.

The world according to Roy.  Or is that Wally World?

--Lee


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