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Skriven 2006-12-20 23:53:00 av bob klahn (1:275/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt
Ärende: The Truth    part 2 of 2
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 st>>>> He states that if one hides behind their god to justify
 st>>>> their means, then "yes", he hates them.

 bk>>  Since he has made it clear he intended for that to mean evil
 bk>>  deeds, that should make it clear.

 RW> Forsstrom didn't state that. He stated that he hates anyone
 RW> who hides behind their God to justify their means.

 And since it made no sense to say that about people who are
 doing good things, I inquired for a more precise statement. At
 that time he clarified it, as I said above.

 Further, just reading it should have alerted anyone to the fact
 that it was not clear as to it's intent, as "justify their
 means" is pretty meaningless. It's only when you get the
 clarification that it takes on any meaning. Clearly written by
 someone for whom English is the second language.

 RW> "I hate every Jew, Muslim or Christian or wharever that
 RW> uses their god to hide behind to justify their means."
 RW> Bjorn Forsstrom - 2006

 Yes, and after the clarification it became clear.

 RW> He made no distinction between good or evil.

 Anyone who thinks about it would realize, those doing good don't
 need to hide behind anyone. Only those doing evil would need to.

 RW> "A true Christian doesn't behave like you just lika a true
 RW> Muslem isn't a terrorist." B Forsstrom - 2006

 RW> So far, no distinction.

 That sentence is clear and accurate AFAICS, without further
 clarification.

 RW> "When it all turns into fanatism at least I react to it and
 RW> by that I condemn both you and the terrorists." B Forsstrom
 RW> - 2006

 RW> Here he may come close, but he still hasn't defined good or
 RW> evil.

 Why would he need to define good and evil? That part is
 understood. As to the above, again, it is clear and reasonable.

 RW> "You are all just as dangerous to a democracy but neither
 RW> of you realize this untill it's too late." B Forsstrom -
 RW> 2006

 His opinion. When applied to fanatics, I agree. The Christian
 right in this country is more a threat to our way of life than
 any Islamic group could be, IMO. No Islamic group is a serious
 threat to us.

 RW> Which isn't a statement of good nor evil. In fact, I
 RW> haven't figured out what he's talking about, probably
 RW> because 'he' doesn't know what he's talking about.

 Other than the first statement, it's pretty clear. Unless one is
 in denial.

 RW> "You never listen to anyone except your own and as soon
 RW> anything doesn't go your way you all can do whatever it
 RW> takes in the name of your God." B Forsstrom - 2006

 RW> I'm not sure whether listening to an unknown source or
 RW> another's whom you know and trust is good or evil in his
 RW> mind. Maybe both.

 Listening to the other side is a good thing, even if you don't
 agree with them afterwards. Sorry, that one is too easy.

 RW> "THAT'S the people I hate and then I'm on a much higher
 RW> moral ground than you ever will be because......I haven't a
 RW> God to hide behind." B Forsstrom - 2006

 RW> So, he's on a higher plane than anyone else because he has
 RW> his own source of morality - his own?

 Could be. That is all opinion. IMO.

 RW> There's the evil!

 RW> Where's the good?

 As he made clear above.

 RW> Is Bjorn Forsstrom's morality higher than everyone elses?
 RW> Are Bjorn's deeds exempt because he has no god to hide
 RW> behind?

 Not everyone else, just yours. Since I belong to the one true
 church, that can't apply.

 bk>>  And it is perfectly reasonable.

 RW> I'll bet you think so.

 Yes, I think using God to excuse evil is evil. Seems clear
 enough.

 bk>> I would say God isn't too pleased with so called Christians who try
 bk>> to hide behind Him to justify their wrongdoing.

 RW> Who among you can point out a wrong-doing in God's eyes?

 Murder and terror and torture are wrong. I believe that. You
 could argue it, but you cannot know, no one can, but I believe
 it.

 RW> (remember that the bible was written by men who claimed
 RW> that it was inspired by God, but offer no proof other than
 RW> 'you must have faith')

 Yep.

 RW> Christians preach that their God will forgive any
 RW> backslider as long as the backslider repents and trys to
 RW> mend his/her ways. Being a christian doesn't mean that one
 RW> is perfect and must follow everything to the letter without
 RW> fail. It just means that they can only try and if they
 RW> fail, pick themselves up again and try again.

 Yep.

 RW> Afterall, they're only human and can only try to live up to
 RW> their religious beliefs.

 Yep.

 RW> They're not gods themselves.

 Yep. And not anointed by God to be president.

 RW> You can't say that much for an athiest, because he has no

 Yes, I can. They can only try to live up to their religious
 beliefs.

 RW> god to hide behind and has no moral source to live up to.

 That except reason.

 RW> Therefore, how can an athiest define good or evil to one
 RW> who has a source not their own?

 Same can be said about Hindus and Buddhists. They have a source
 that is not yours. Buddah really was not a God, and Hindus have
 many gods. How do you talk to them?

 And how do those of us who consider our church the one true
 church talk to those of you who don't? And how do we talk to
 those, like Jimmy Swaggart, who called the Catholic Church the
 "Whore of Babylon"?

 You just try being reasonable and tolerant.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... "Will you speak falsely for God, and speak deceitfully for him?"
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