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Skriven 2005-01-10 01:56:28 av Matt Bedynek (1:106/1)
   Kommentar till text 4708 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Pee-Four
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Hello Michiel.

09 Jan 05 11:25, you wrote to me:

 MvdV> The prime effort however should be to make people aware that it is
 MvdV> better for all if they follow ter rules anyway. As in making the
 MvdV> people aware that by running red lights they endager themselves and
 MvdV> others.

Who are you to define what is annoying for me?  What you consider annoying may
not be to me and vice versa.  Of course if you engage in behavior I consider
annoying you will claim that it is not, and vice versa.  :-)

 >>  MvdV> You need rules so that people know what is acceptable
 >>  MvdV> and what is not.

 >> And you need contigencies to deal with those who break them.

 MvdV> Yes, but that is not the reason for having rules.

I maintain a few echoes and if I post a set of rules there will only be one
rule.  "Show other participants courtesy"  Unless some of us have some mental
illness we all know what that means unless we are pretending not to.

 >> In other words, if someone does not want to put up with
 >> your bullshit--too bad.

 MvdV> I try not to bullshit in the first place.

 >> You can curse the moderator and engage in annoying behavior.

 MvdV> I don't want to.

Maybe not you but others have done it on a regular basis.

 >> Seems I was right after all, not to much different than some
 >> here after all.  End result: A moderator, rather than deal with
 >> this bullshit in Fidonet of someone telling him what to do will
 >> be better off paying a $15/mo web hosting fee and set up a bulletin
 >> board which he has total control.

 MvdV> Now you have lost me...

Point being: That rather try to dance around a complex set of bullshit ethics
some people operate by here that a person who wants to moderate an echo is
better off running an internet bulletin board.  Understand now?

 >> There it will be accessable from anywhere in the world
 >> and recieve many more users. Everybody is happy and has a
 >> choice.  A user who wanders in and does not like the person
 >> who runs the board is free to come and go as they please.
 >>  Don't like it? Find another?

 MvdV> But what's it got to do with FidoNet?

It has everything to do with fidonet.  It is why we are ship captains without
any cargo.  The internet offers a more appealing product.  If we are going to
run Fidonet for the sysops then perhaps we need to accept that and change
policy to reflect that.  If that happens, I might close shop because I remain
optimisitc that some innovative fellow will make Fidonet easily accessable via
the internet.  In fact, someone is already making the first attempt, jamnntpd.

 >> is happening.  Choice has taken the value out of Fidonet
 >> and only choice can bring it back.

 MvdV> Nothing will bring it back. FidoNet is a museum piece.

It is all about access and availability.  You do not see me using some obscure
dialup or telnet bbs to access echomail.  I use my server or nntp.

 MvdV> It is meaningless if you can only choose between items that are
 MvdV> indistinguishable from each other. What is there to choose if yiu can
 MvdV> choose any colour as long as it is black?

 MvdV> Can you tell the difference bewteen IC, FIDONEWS and FN_SYSOP just by
 MvdV> looking at the content of the messages? I can't.

The reason is that they have no direction.  All an active moderator has to do
is moderate the area and say "this thread is best suited for ___ echo".  People
will hit the reply button and engage in "off topic" discussions as long as we
can get away with it.  :-)

 >> Do you feel it is your obligation to make those who see
 >> differently see it your way?

 MvdV> No. I just wish they would stop trying to impose their way upon me.

 MvdV> And what Dan Ceppa did with his terrorist act, WAS trying to impose
 MvdV> his ways upon me.

 MvdV> Just as what is happening with this so called election. allowing a
 MvdV> self appointed EC to set the rules and rig the election is again
 MvdV> imposing the Z1 way of doing things on the rest.

Sounds like a repeat of history to me.  :-)

Matt

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