Text 49697, 109 rader
Skriven 2007-04-20 09:14:17 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 49668 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Shootings
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 JS>>>      Because holding or owning a gun should be a sign or
 JS>>> indication of being a bad guy. I don't consider myself to be THAT bad of
 JS>>> a guy yet I own a dozen or so guns including three handguns.

 BF>> Isn't this just one of those macho-things?

 JS>      Far from it.

Then explain why you need all those guns for.

This is where you and I differ. You are brought up in it while I'm not.
I don't see any reason for owning any gun what so ever unless I'm a hunter and
then a hunting rifle is OK but having a dozen or so and three handguns......
Just because it's legal to have a weapon no one says that you *have* to have
any. In Germany there is no speed limit on some autobahns but nothing says
that I *have* to drive at 150 mph.

 BF>> I'm allowed to have my AK 4 at home but have said that I will NEVER do
 BF>> that because I don't trust my own psychic health.

 JS>      You make it too easy sometimes Björn. <g>

You know what I mean.....healty today but who knows what will happend tomorrow.
A neighbours SIL was perfectly OK untill he got a tree over himself and hurt
his head
and today he's having trouble with fixing the day.

  BF>>  I can never guarantee that some day I might take a drink or two and
 BF>> then be so angry so I will use it.

 JS>      A drink or two? Chug a jug of Jack Danials and then we will talk.

If I want to drink catpiss I have to cats.
Had a small 18 yo. Highland Park yesterday.....

 JS>      You would probably be too busy staggering around puking your guts out
 JS> to worry about hurting anyone. When I have gotten drunk (Been about 10
 JS> years) I get happy and start acking like a smartass.

Until the day when it backfires and you just have to show how good you are with
guns.

 JS>      Yup, not much of a change there. <g>

 BF>>  Can you guaratee that your mental health will stay stabil?

 JS>      I can't guarantee my mental health IS stabil. <g>

That's what I mean.

 BF>> After a few drinks your wife says she have had enough of you.....or you
 BF>> find her in bed with another guy etc.?

 JS>      I would offer the other guy my condolenses.

Or that someone are offending your daughter or that she has been raped.
Wouldn't you feel like getting back on him. Taking a few drinks and a gun to
show him what you think of him?

 BF>> Obviously something went wrong in the head of the shooter in VA and we
 BF>> have had that here too so who can guarantee that this will not happend to
 BF>> you or me?

 JS>      Absolutely nothing.

And you are willing to take that risk by having the house full of weapons?
That's like letting a alcoholic loose in a liquer strore.

 JS> Each of us is a variable and one can never really
 JS> know or guarantee the actions of another. As is the case here most are
 JS> unable to understand the reasoning of why it happened or what motivated
 JS> him to do such a thing.

Bingo. And free access to weapons......this is the result.

 BF>> Many years ago one of my neighbours didn't like when I walked in the wood
 BF>> with my dog during hunting season (which I didn't know at that time). He
 BF>> came here shouting at me and had several guns in his car and you can
 BF>> guess that I almost pissed in my pants. In his angry state I was sure he
 BF>> was goint to take a shot at me but he didn't but what if he had?

 JS>      You would like be dead? Seriously though, if we take away or outlaw
 JS> things that could be used to hurt or kill someone else. We would end up
 JS> outlawing most everything. Guns, knives, etc. don't kill people by
 JS> themselves. If you take guns away they only the bad guys will have the
 JS> guns and it would be like an "Open Season" call on the good guys.

If it's outlawed it means that not even the bad guys are going to have weapons
and then it's up to the police to make sure they doesn't have any.
The only way for a criminal to have a gun here is to steal them or import
illegal.
You just have to start doing something sometime.

 JS>>> Must provide certificate of completed authorized firearms training.

 BF>> And how do you know that this guy isn't planning to commit murder or a
 BF>> bank robbery or to kill his wife? Is he mental stabil to have a gun? When
 BF>> it's this easy to get a gun you can't complain about all this shootings.

 JS>      Around here if there is reason to believe that someone has a history
 JS> of mental instability they are denied a permit to purchase a handgun. A
 JS> seperate permit is required to carry the handgun on your person in public.

Reason to believe.....see what happend in VA. He had been acting strange for
a long time and had threatned girls before but nontheless, he had two guns.....

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