Text 7875, 90 rader
Skriven 2005-03-23 21:27:52 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
   Kommentar till text 7839 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Intellectual Propert
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Dale Shipp -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> That does not explain how my cloned copy has cost them. The
 DD>> have exactly the same amount of funds whether I have this
 DD>> copy or not.

 DS>   It does explain it -- your cloned copy gives you and others the
 DS>   opportunity to deny them their revenue.

In exactly the same manner that me not viewing the works - they don't get paid
that way either.


 DS>>   True -- but if you did not get an unauthorized copy to watch, you
 DS>>   might well have gone to see it or paid to rent a copy.

 DD>> Might? One does not base one's business model on what *I* might do.

 DS>    Really.  That is what businesses do all the time.   They produce a
 DS>    product in the hope and expectation that some might pay for it.

But obviously not everyone. Not everyone goes to the movie cinemas.

[...]

 DD>> Some of us simply won't go to the movies or rent/buy DVDs
 DD>> because we get so screwed by their prices.

 DS>   So be it -- if you don't want to pay, you should not get to view.

Why not? It's not costing them any more than if I didn't view it....

[...]


 DS>>   That is where you are wrong.  The original owner has lost the
 DS>> ight to control or profit from his creation.

 DD>> Just as Michiel has lost the right to control his creation?

 DS>   Michiel has lost nothing -- when he submitted his article to fidonews,
 DS>   he agreed to its distribution.  Hence he gave it away of his own free
 DS>   will.   He retains any rights for separate distribution via other
 DS>   methods.

Not according to the copyright message within Fidonews...

 DD>> Australia has a thriving entertainment industry - even some
 DD>> of the recent name brand "US" productions were made here/by Aussie
 DD>> people.

 DS>   Yep -- under contract to and payment by US firms.

Yes, Australians get paid to make the movies... Those movies are even released
here. Some pay to go and see them, some don't (see them, or pay).

 DD>> Obviously, as USA has more than 10 times the population of
 DD>> Australia, it should have more than 10 times the talented
 DD>> people to call on to produce such works (and 10 times the
 DD>> persons prepared to breach copyright - where do you think
 DD>> the copies I have have originated from?).

 DS>   So, you finally admit that you have breached copyright?

No, the person who made the copy has done that....

I maintain that like exceeding the speed limit, my viewing of cloned movies is
a victimless crime - especially since I've already paid the royalties in my
recordable media levies.

 DD>> Many USAian works come to Australia. Being made in USA does
 DD>> *not* guarantee that they get royalties from every copy
 DD>> made.

 DS>    As I said.  And a good reason for intellectual talent to ply their
 DS>    craft elsewhere.

Just shows that they not artists at all, just money sucking leaches....

The whole world had people who decline to be screwed by those types,
even/especially USA....

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regards

David

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