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Skriven 2005-03-31 09:00:20 av Roy Witt (1:10/22)
   Kommentar till text 9211 av mark lewis (1:3634/12)
Ärende: Fidonews Echo Rules
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Hello mark.

30 Mar 33 16:48, you wrote to me:

 >>>>> Where did Z1 get the EC structure from?
 >>>> NOT from EP1.  They were around prior to that
 >>>> document showing up.
 WD>>> I wouldn't be too certain about that.
 RW>> Before my time, but historical documents seem to
 RW>> support the idea that *ECs came from EP1.

 ml> only one historical document does that that i'm aware of...

I did find a reference to a Fidonews publication, 4-10 I think it was
... where it mentioned that the first echo listing began. In the first
echolisting announcement in that issue, *ECs were mentioned. Fidonews
4-10 pre-dates EC1 by two years.

 ml>  it only does that if one doesn't take care to research the truth
 ml> before assuming something that is not in evidence...

 RW>> However, that was a 'backbone' document that didn't
 RW>> carry any weight in Z1, unless one was subscribed to
 RW>> the backbone's echolist.

 ml> for the most part, yes... you'll have seen my research and
 ml> documentation on the existance of *ECs before EP1 was written
 ml> before you see this message ;)

And you should have seen the reference to my research by now.

 WD>>> Someone somewhere invented the positions of
 WD>>> "echomailcoordinator" and "moderator".

 RW>> I believe moderator came first, as echomail was around
 RW>> long before anybody decided to 'coordinate' it.

 ml> pretty much true...

 WD>>> The document itself is a pure Z1-invention which in the
 WD>>> wake of P4 made sense.

 RW>> It was the invention of John Souvestre and whoever was
 RW>> part of his 'backbone' echomail distribution system at
 RW>> the time.

 ml> the 2 Z2 lists of 1988 that i find on ruth's site don't list
 ml> john... that makes it a bit harder to determine when he actually
 ml> joined the network...

My mistake ... I had read EP1 with JS's name attached, but this one
seems to preceed that one.

GENERAL ECHOMAIL POLICY 1
     February 1, 1989

This Policy applies to Zone One Backbone Echomail conferences and
to any other conferences for which the Moderator desires it to be
applicable.    Future changes to Echo Policy may be proposed only
by a  simple majority vote of the Regional Echomail Coordinators.
Those eligible to vote on any proposals made by the REC structure
will be  the ZEC, RECs, NECs, NCs, RCs and IC.  Only one vote per
person is  allowed.   Adoption of  changes will  require a simple
majority of those voting to pass.

-snip!

Echopol Committee

Mike Ratledge
Norm Henke
Rick McWilliams
Barry Shatswell

You can find a lot of these old documents here:

http://www.rxn.com/~net282/echopol1.txt

 ml>  nodelist.167 of June 1989 has him listed
 ml> several times... even once as a NC... i was going to try to ferret
 ml> out exactly when he joined and then gained a backbone position...
 ml> he was "promoted" to that "position" at some point... i remember
 ml> pulling my mail from him at 2400 until he asked me to hook up with
 ml> someone else... he said my connection was too slow ;)  several
 ml> months later i got my Zyxel 1496 and then another that could do
 ml> 16800 or whatever it was...

:) When I first joined Fidonet, I routed a netmail through his system to
someone in R19. He allowed it to go thorugh, but netmailed me that I
wasn't supposed to route it this way. At the time, I was getting my
echomail from his competition and routing was supposed to be done via
ERN or the NC.

 RW>> And you're right, it grew out of the passing of P4's
 RW>> section pertaining to an echomail policy being added
 RW>> to P4, someday.

 ml> again, true...

 RW>> Fortunately, the *C structure in Z1 had sense enough to
 RW>> reject it out of hand.

 ml> and again... geez, you're really on the ball, today ;)  but i still
 ml> can't help thinking about those individuals who won't see the truth
 ml> simply because of how they perceive the messenger...

You mean the mushrooms?


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