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Skriven 2008-02-06 11:14:42 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 10709 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Told ya so - Holloway ... again ...
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06 Feb 08 11:56, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> Well, we all now know that he did confess to it

 MvdV>>> "We" know nothing of the kind. I saw the whole show, every two
 MvdV>>> hours and 20 minutes of it and I saw no confession of murder.

 RW>> Of course you didn't...LOL!

 MvdV> I did not see a confession of murder. Mind you it was all in Dutch.
 MvdV> Maybe your Babelfish barfed?

Actually, Vries was there to opine the coverage. I think his Dutch  and
English is very good. But I also contacted my Dutch friend, Max Altman, in
San Diego and got his opinion of what was said. Max, born and raised in
the South Pacific Dutch island of Papua, New Guinea and of Dutch parantage
(his father worked for Dutch Shell) has several language skills, all
uropeon. He varified what Vries said.

 MvdV>>> If you believe that he lied about lying about it, why would you
 MvdV>>> believe *anything* he said?

 RW>> I don't...however, the judge in Aruba must believe it, as he said it
 RW>> was admissable in court.

 MvdV> Credibility and admissibility are two different things.

That's what the judge said when he admitted the film into evidence.

 MvdV> Something can be admissible but totally incredible. or the other
 MvdV> way around. But surely no judge said it was admissible, as that
 MvdV> will only be ruled upon when the court is in session and it is
 MvdV> presented as evidence.

All I know is that 'a judge in Aruba' had signed off on the admittance of
the film as evidence. Whether a court has to be in session for him to say
so or not is probably not a requirement.

 MvdV> What you heard was probably the wishful thinking of the prosecutor.

I heard the prosecutor talk during his interview, but he wasn't the one
who mentioned what the judge said.

 MvdV>>> He has not been arrested yet. A request for arrest was denied
 MvdV>>> by the judge. "Insufficient" new evidence.

 RW>> Wrong...the reporters' video is admissable in court - Aruban Judge.

 MvdV> Your source? Let me guess; Fox.

Of course. The best news agency in existance.

 MvdV> The only issue that recently officially involved a judge was the
 MvdV> request for his arrest. And that was denied because of insufficient
 MvdV> new evidence.

Before this episode. Irrelevant.

 MvdV>>> Het thought she was dead and his accomplice confirmed it.

 RW>> Oh, so now he and his accomplice are doctors...an innocent person
 RW>> would have transported that girl to a medical facility, not dump her
 RW>> at sea.

 MvdV> You keep forgetting that the onus of proof is on the prosecution.

What does this have to do with Sloot being educated in the medical field?

 MvdV> It is the prosecution that will have to prove she was alive when
 MvdV> she hit the water.

Any prosecutor can take what he says in the film and turn it into a
charge of negligent homicide. Homicide is murder, even in the Netherlands.

 MvdV> Strange that you keep forgetting that as when the finger was
 MvdV> pointed at you, you kept stressing it.

The finger was making a false claim, since it had no proof of my
whereabouts.

 MvdV>>> For a murder charge, the prosecution will have to prove that
 MvdV>>> she was alive when she was dumped in the sea. I do not think
 MvdV>>> that is possible.

 RW>> That's ok, there are plenty of charges that he can be charged with.

 MvdV> whatever the charge is: the onus of proof is on the prosecution....

Of course. But a confession is all the proof they need.

 MvdV>>> So if he is a liar why believe his "confession"?

 RW>> Even his lawyer (the dutch one) says that.

 MvdV> Yes, his lawyer says he is a lier. Your point?

His lawyer can also be called a liar. The lawyer supported him at first,
then turns on him after he confesses.

 RW>> He also says that he's a very troubled and 'dangerous' person.

 MvdV> he did not say "dangerous". The translator at Fox nust have made
 MvdV> that up.

Vries speaks fluent Dutch, does he not?

 MvdV>>>>> In either case there is no murder.

 RW>>>> Dumping her body at sea is a crime in and of itself.

 MvdV>>> True, but it is a much lesser crime than murder. And besides,
 MvdV>>> he dis not d that himself, he was merely an assessor to that.

 RW>> He is the instigator of that crime. He won't be charged as the
 RW>> assessory.

 MvdV> You keep forgetting that it is *Dutch* law that applies.....

You keep forgetting that he is the prime suspect...

 MvdV>>> In his "confession" he says she died on the beach. I do not
 MvdV>>> think it will be possible to prove otherwise.

 RW>> He isn't a doctor, so he doesn't know for sure. She could have been
 RW>> in a coma and only a doctor would be able to determine that.

 MvdV> At the time he thought she was dead. Are you saying that does not
 MvdV> count?

Right, it doesn't count. His duty would have been to take her to a medical
facility. He didn't because he either murdered her and this latest BS is
just that, BS - or he's lying again.

 RW>>>>  In either case, what he did was a crime.

 MvdV>>> But not murder.

 RW>> I think so.

 MvdV> What you think is irrelevant.

As is what you think.

 MvdV>>> The maximum penalty for making a body disappear is 6 month in
 MvdV>>> prison.

 RW>> He should be in a mental institution.

 MvdV> Your opinion. I do not think the court will be impressed by it.

What you think is irrelevant.

 MvdV>>>  If it ever comes to that. *if*. He already spent more time in
 MvdV>>> prison durng his previous arrests. Which means he will walk
 MvdV>>> even if he is convicted.

 RW>> So, you're admitting that there is no justice in Holland and/or it's
 RW>> territories?

 MvdV> So you are saying that appointing a scapegoat by popular vote and
 MvdV> lynch him is justice?

I'll answer your question, when you answer mine.

 MvdV>>> But he can probably forget about compensation for undue
 MvdV>>> arrest....

 RW>> But he probably won't forget the compensation he'll be forced to pay
 RW>> for a wrongful death.

 MvdV> You keep forgetting it is Dutch law... Ah well never mind.

Thank you...btw, the reference to compensation will occur under US law.

 RW>>>> (if he's found or named) as the assessory to murder, Vandersloot
 RW>>>> will be charged with her murder.

 MvdV>>> You forget that it is Dutch law that applies, not US law...

 RW>> So, you're admitting that there is no justice in Dutch and/or it's
 RW>> territories?

 MvdV> So you are saying that appointing a scapegoat by popular vote and
 MvdV> lynch him is justice?

I'll answer your question, after you answer mine.

 RW>>>> There's no need to worry about that anymore, he confessed.

 MvdV>>> Not to murder.

 RW>>  You have a very blunt mind if you believe that. By stating that she
 RW>> went into convulsions on the beach and collapsed, then calls a
 RW>> friend to dump the body at sea, is a confession of murder.

 MvdV> That is just your interpretation. You are welcome to come to Aruba
 MvdV> and offer your services as an expert witness to the court....

No thanks, the presecution will have plenty of help already.

 MvdV>>> As for the rest of his confession, it will in all likehood be
 MvdV>>> rejected as evidence in court.

 RW>> Not according to the Aruban Judge.

 MvdV> <shrug> It won't be formally decided until it is presented in
 MvdV> court.

I see that redundancy runs in your family.

 MvdV>>> By Dutch law it is against the law to tape people on private
 MvdV>>> property without them being aware of it.

 RW>> It wasn't on private property, it was done in a vehicle owned by the
 RW>> reporters' accomplice or the reporter.

 MvdV> The inside of the car was not n area accessible to the general
 MvdV> public and hence it is "private property" in the legal sense.

That's right, the private property of the people who put the camaras in
it...their perogative.

 MvdV> By secretly videotaping the conversation with Joran van der Sloot,
 MvdV> Peter R. de Vries and his accomplice committed a crime for which
 MvdV> the maximum penalty is nine month in prison....

They have yet to be charged...I guess that means they probably won't be
charged with that crime in the name of justice in Aruba.

 RW>>  They can do what they want with their own property.

 MvdV> You keep forgetting...

You keep forgetting that it's their property...course your next claim will
be that the state can confiscate that property because it was used in an
alleged crime. That's like closing the barn door after the horse escapes.

 RW>>>> News reporters are pretty much exempt,

 MvdV>>> Not here they aren't.

 RW>> Here isn't in Aruba.

 MvdV> Joran vander Sloot is here. Peter R. de Vries is here...

Good for them.

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