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19 Mar 08 21:48, Jeff Bowman wrote to Roy Witt:
RW>> JB> Which is interesting to me, because I don't really know any, I
RW>> don't
RW>> JB> believe! People around here have an obvious tendency to lean
RW>> JB> conservative. And ironically enough, even many of my internet
RW>> JB> friends turned out to be Republican as I came to find out,
RW>> JB> regardless of none of them even living in the same state as me.
RW>> I think you'll find more of them, come November.
JB> More independents, or more Republicans?
More of both, plus Democrat cross-overs voting Republican.
JB> Cause I doubt we're going to see much of the latter.
Dont bet on it.
JB> The American public seem to tire of one party or another after a
JB> while in general, but after all we've seen from the Republicans over
JB> the last eight years, I don't think the American public would vote
JB> another one in.
The Democrats have no choice but to run Obama now. And he'll lose because
of his race and very little experience. The racial thing has to be
addressed for fear of losing the black voters. If they put Hillary up for
election, she'll lose. Probably as bad as Mondale did in 1984, if not
worse.
JB> They showed a good example of that line of thinking in the last
JB> mid-term.
Yeah, but the do-nothing Democrat led Congress has given them a worse
popularity rating than Bush. There'll be a big change up this time, just
the opposite of what happened in mid-term elections.
RW>> See, we think alike. I'm generally against abortion, but would
RW>> consider a woman's right to choose as her own right. I wouldn't
RW>> agree with him on invading Iran, I'd just nuke the whole place and
RW>> let God sort it out. Global warming is a hoax perpetrated by
RW>> politicians and stupid Europeons. There's plenty of scientific
RW>> evidence against it. This past winter being the coldest in quite
RW>> some time seems to be against the hoax. I oppose leaving Iraq
RW>> unfinished. And everyone makes mistakes, so we can't fault him
RW>> there.
JB> Don't you find it coincidental that Bush would be such a big oil man,
JB> and then the American government goes years with him in charge
JB> without wanting to acknowledge global warming at all anymore?
Global warming has been proven to be a hoax. AlGore is about to be sued by
the founder of the weather channel for perpetrating that hoax.
JB> EPA reports have also been allegedly censored (taken from a BBC
JB> report, though it can obviously be found elsewhere):
JB> "But the amendments demanded by the president's staff were so
JB> extensive that the climate section "no longer accurately represents
JB> scientific consensus on climate change", according to an internal EPA
JB> memo quoted by the Associated Press news agency."
And they forgot to quote the memo...
JB> Finally, under pressure from most of the rest of the world who
JB> already acknowledges it, they're giving in to the notion of climate
JB> change. For the record, global warming in and of itself is generally
JB> accepted and acknowledged as true. Whether it's man-made or not is
JB> really the only part which is still seriously debated. And for every
JB> piece of supposed evidence that one side gives, the other side will
JB> try to counter it.
Such as the ice build up this winter was a month ahead of the normal
schecule and much thicker than ever.
JB> And when you tend to look at who backs a lot of these "studies", it
JB> seems many of them make their way back to big oil. Sounds about like
JB> the tobacco industry and cancer thing all over again.
Sounds like they don't know what they're talking about. Big oil would
include the people who actually own it to begin with. Meanwhile, Bush is
saying that we need to get off away from using oil...
JB> As for winter temperatures, it was yet another extremely mild one
JB> here. The world also saw its share of freak weather.
The boys in northern Canada would disagree with you on that. They had
record low temps this winter, -57 where it's normally around -30...
RW>> JB> No, but we picked him the last two.
RW>> Considering the alternative, that was the right thing to do.
JB> I don't think the alternatives would have ever ended up with the
JB> extremely low approval rating Bush has the honor of holding.
I do and so did the people who voted against them.
RW>> and had to work overtime to feed the family, paying more taxes
RW>> wasn't to our advantage. The better approach is for Congress to stop
RW>> spending and giving it away to foreign countrys.
JB> Spending in general isn't the problem, it's how they're spending it
JB> inappropriately that hurts.
Spending is the problem. There are more pork barrel politicians than ever.
JB> Bridges to nowhere don't help the budget.
Had the Republican whiner from Alaska not gotten his way by threating to
resign (they should have let him), the money slated for that bridge would
have been re-apportioned to fix a damaged bridge in Lousiana that was
destroyed by Katrina, and the remainder to the Alaska highway projects
that are needed.
JB> If only the money they needed was allocated instead of millions going
JB> into peoples' pet projects, the budget would be better off.
But that will never be.
JB> Earmarks should have been made illegal from the get-go, because
JB> everyone's abused them for years.
As a matter of fact, centuries.
RW>> Clinton comes along, raises taxes and the next guy in the White
RW>> House inherits a recession. The next person to inherit a recession
RW>> won't have higher taxes to blame it on, it's going to be the cost of
RW>> oil.
JB> Bush spending the entire surplus Clinton built up and then taking us
JB> into the largest debt ever is the sort of thing that helps cause a
JB> recession.
Do you realize that the talk of a recession is global? It's not any one
person or thing that has brought this about. Banks loaned money to people
who couldn't afford to pay it back, thus we have a glut of home
reposessions. Oil futures have raised the cost of oil products to prices
out of reach by low income people. High priced oil products has caused the
price of food and manufactured goods to rise. This is happening all over
the world, not just here. Bush did what he had to do when America was
attacked by terrorists. If he didn't, we'd be fighting terrorists on our
streets, just like they're doing in Europe. France was against the wars in
both Afghanistan an Iraq, yet they're the worse off for it. Islamic
rioting in their streets is just the beginning of what's to come.
RW>> The 8% will tell you the truth, "he's a democrat, or he's a
RW>> republican" while the rest won't. That is, unless there's a reason
RW>> to bring it up. Like he did something good, like raising your taxes
RW>> retro-actively. Let him be a conservative politician and it gets
RW>> mentioned all the time.
JB> Just because a reporter is liberal or conservative doesn't mean
JB> they're naturally biased.
The hell it doesn't. You're liberally biased and your writing shows it.
Mine is more conservative and I show it. No one can write news articles
without showing some personal bias'...
JB> You can hate someone's guts, but that doesn't mean you can't write
JB> a fair story about'em.
LOL! Tell that to Helen Thomas. At the July 18, 2006 White House press
briefing, Thomas remarked, "The United States is not that helpless. It
could have stopped the bombardment of Lebanon. We have that much control
with the Israelis... we have gone for collective punishment against all of
Lebanon and Palestine." Press Secretary Tony Snow responded, "Thank you
for the Hezbollah view."
JB> If someone can't do that without inserting bias, they suck at their
JB> job.
Like Helen Thomas does...
JB> Though you're leading me to believe that every Republican reporter is
JB> truthful, which in and of itself is biased.
I'm not talking Republican reporters. Remember that only 8% of the media
is conservative. You don't have to be Republican to be conservative. My
father was as conservative as you could get, yet he was a staunch
Democrat. He never voted outside of the party in his entire life. Much to
my and my siblings dismay.
RW>> JB> There's more than one incident where they did "accidently" label
RW>> JB> Republicans in trouble as Democrats. I can even find you the
RW>> JB> footage of it, if you're hesitant to believe it.
RW>> If it's something from a liberal website, it wouldn't prove
RW>> anything, except that liberals are liars.
JB> So just because a website or channel you don't like covered
JB> something, that automatically makes it bogus?
If it's biased in a certain way. You say that just because a person leans
one way or the other, they cannot write an unbiased report. I'm here to
tell you that isn't so.
JB> Liberal sites cover lots of things, that doesn't mean it's not
JB> covered elsewhere too.
Yet, those same things are covered in a different bias...
JB> I don't think someone having taped it with a camcorder in this one
JB> case gets much more raw:
JB> http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_vtC98IFoA
JB> Not wanting to believe it despite all the evidence to the contrary is
JB> just silly at this point. Especially when I can personally vouch for
JB> it.
But it's still on a liberal website. That says a lot about it in itself.
RW>> JB> I feel Democrats are far from greatest, but when put on a scale
RW>> of
RW>> JB> crimes one party has committed vs the other over the last few
RW>> years
RW>> JB> alone, Democrats come out far on top.
RW>> LOL! On top of the 'most crimes committed' heap.
JB> Don't think the facts back that one up.
I know they do.
JB> A side-by-side comparison of the two would show a clear difference.
yeup...
JB> Tom Delay, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Alberto Gonzales are just
JB> some of the top ones that come to mind at the moment.
Not in the same class. The first two are stand up conservatives. Nothing
wrong with them. Scooter Libby could be compared to several aides from the
Clinton White House. Alberto Gonsales wasn't all bad, he was just very
incompetent.
JB> Then there's lesser-known swindlers like Bill Frist from my very own
JB> state.
What else is new?
Abramoff was friendly with some D's as well as Reps. Ohio's Jim (Beam Me
Up) Trafficant is in jail on a 2002 bribery conviction. And Louisiana Rep.
William Jefferson is under investigation over a couple of hundred thousand
dollars found in his freezer (where'd he get it?).
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