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Skriven 2008-05-16 17:18:14 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 15410 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Thought crime...again
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16 May 08 16:28, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>> You're talking invasion of the US by European forces.
 MvdV>>> No, I was talking about freeing prisoners from the Gitmo Hotel.
 RW>> And those prisoners are on a US military base...
 MvdV> Which is on Cuba and not in the US.

There's a military base at Eindhoven, Holland too. Can you go on base as a
Dutch citizen? Didn't think so. Do you think that if the Dutch military
were to invade that base, the US would roll over for them? I didn't think
so.

Just as Dutchmen cannot go onto the base at Eindhoven, neither can a Cuban
citizen go onto the base at Gitmo. So stating that the base is on Cuba is
as moot as stating the base in Holland is in Holland.

So, your attempted point here is moot.

 RW>> you propose to invade a military base to free prisoners? The same 12
 RW>> mile limit applies to Gitmo.

 MvdV> Not recognised. An waters around Cuba, are *Cuban* territorial
 MvdV> waters.

Wrong. Gitmo is located on the southeastern tip of Cuba, the waters from
the southeastern tip of the base east and then around the very tip of
the island and then west to the western tip of the island belong to Cuba.
As does the coast line on a return trip heading east again on the southern
edge of the island. As you approach the western tip of Guant namo Bay, it
is controlled by the United States. From there across the mouth of the
bay, across it to the southeastern tip again, is controlled by the United
States. NOt even Cuban naval vessels are allowed to venture there. Gitmo
also has a 'no-mans' zone all around it with a wall topped with barbed
wire and guarded by US Marines.

The United States also controls the land on both sides of and around the
northern part of the bay. So if you can get permission from the Cuban
government to land invasion troops somewhere near it, getting beyond the
wall covered in barbed wire will be a tough row to hoe, even for a
seasoned army. Even the Cubans know that an invasion would fail.

 RW>>>> The Territorial waters of the US,

 MvdV>>> Gitmo is on Cuba. No need to cross US territorial waters to get
 MvdV>>> there.

 RW>> You'll have to cross US military base territory, which by treaty is
 RW>> as much US territory as the continent. I doubt that any large task
 RW>> force would get within the 12 mile limit.

 MvdV> Right. So that answers my question. The US would object to the
 MvdV> Gitmo invasion act.

I doubt that any Euro legislature would be so dumb as to enact such an
animal. Well, perhaps the Dutch would be that stupid.

 MvdV> But they expect us to go along with the The Hague invasion act..

I've never heard of a "Hague Invasion Act" - can you quote some of
it back to me so I know what the fuck you're talking about?

 MvdV> Right of might....

Right is always right...

 RW>> Never mind, there's no Boy Scout troops at Gitmo. You'll have to put
 RW>> up with US Marines and the US Navy's F16/F18 fighters armed with
 RW>> missles, not to mention the cruisers and other ships deployed
 RW>> there..You would have been better off attacking the mainland, the
 RW>> Boy Scouts would have gone easy on your EU troops. Now they'll be in
 RW>> much more peril.

 MvdV> Your war mongering language is noted.

Hey, you're the one who offers an invasion of a US military base as
something you think is possible. I'm just telling you how stupidly foolish
you look. But, you knew that already. The above was just a week attempt to
lead others from noticing the obvious.

                R\%/itt



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