Text 22230, 105 rader
Skriven 2008-10-19 14:29:40 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 22112 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Legal Strictions
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17 Oct 08 11:27, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Thursday October 16 2008 at 12:52:

 RW>>>> The difference was; their above was Der Fuhrer, not any god.

 RB>>> Better check your facts. There was enough religious theory spouted
 RB>>> during that time to "prove" that all the nasty deeds were "willed
 RB>>> by God", and that the Fuehrer only carried out that will.

 RW>> That is what 'Mein Kamph' is all about. Those aren't facts, just the
 RW>> rantings of a madman.

 RB> Unfortunately no.

I think so. It was written before he ever came to politics. Had he lost
his political goals, there may not have been anything more to it.

 RB> Otherwise they would not have had the consequences they had.

Which happened after the fact. Had the populace read it, perhaps they
wouldn't have been so eager for him to lead the country.

 RB> And actually I was thinking about things like "Das Mythos des 20.
 RB> Jahrhunderts" by Alfred Rosenberg.

Is there an English translation?

 RB>>> You can "prove" anything you want as long as you base your
 RB>>> arguments on belief and not hard facts.

 RW>> Great! You do believe that Adolph was right then and all of his
 RW>> madness was granted to him by God.

 RB> Try not to ignore the quotation marks in my sentences the next time.

Quotation marks are used by many here to emphasize their words. Next time,
phrase it so you don't have to quote one word.

 RW>>>> Life is a constant struggle between good and evil and each person
 RW>>>> has a free will and must choose a side.

 RB>>> True, but:

 RB>>> - Define "good" and "evil" (and already we're talking opinions and
 RB>>> beliefs)

 RW>> Nothing wrong with that, as moral societies have already done it for
 RW>> us.

 RB> Define "moral society". Is that "a society that holds _my_ values?

That would depend on your moral values. If today's German government were
to change it's mind about hiding their Nazi past and begin a program like
it, including death camps, would you like that or would it be against your
moral values? Nothing and nobody is perfect.

 RB>>> - Define "higher values" - do something evil and save your family,
 RB>>> or refuse and see them shot.

 RW>> Saving your family can't be evil, unless you and your family are
 RW>> evil and need to be done away with.

 RB> You're waffling.

Only Belgums waffle.

 RB>>> There are a few other things involved, but those give a nice start.

 RW>> They're not much to go on, if you don't have any faith.

 RB> Meaning "blind obedience"

Why would you blindly obey anything?

 RB> (the Germans say "Kadavergehorsam" and mean that every order,
 RB> regardless of how crazy, evil or downright criminal, MUST be obeyed).

That's German thinking for you.

 RW>>>> As I recall the Calley case from those days, there was never any
 RW>>>> mention of 'doing' those Vietnamese in the name of God. It all
 RW>>>> boiled down to his fear of the Viet Cong infiltrating every aspect
 RW>>>> of his life, including every villager he came across.

 RB>>> Which is true, but not what I wrote. I would have hung the SOB and
 RB>>> scattered his ashes in the local river the same as they did with
 RB>>> the Nuremberg war criminals. Fair is fair.

 RW>> That certainly would have done a lot of good for the reputation of
 RW>> the US, that's for sure.

 RB> Actually, I think it would have. It would have shown that right is
 RB> right and wrong is wrong, regardless of nationality.

That it would have. Perhaps then we wouldn't have seen the abuse of
Iraqi prisoners in Iraq. But then, the moral values of our youth have been
corrupted by modern technology.

                R\%/itt



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