Text 23001, 109 rader
Skriven 2008-10-31 15:09:00 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
  Kommentar till text 22978 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
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Hello Jeff,

>JS>If Hussein had been able to buy/steal/aquire WMD's I have little
>JS>doubt that he would have.

>MV>The fact is that he didn't.

>JS>And you know that to be a fact?

>LL>George W. Bush claimed he knew stockpiles of wmd exists in Iraq.
>LL>IOW, George W. Bush lied, given he had no such proof.  If he had
>LL>such proof, he would have been able to produce it.

JS>Bush lying about his asertion that Hussein had WMD's was wrong.

Not only was it wrong, but it was also an impeachable offense.
At least according to U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

JS>But that is not proof that there were or were not WMD's or that if
JS>they existed that Hussein didn't manage to dismantle and smuggle them
JS>out.

"I know stockpiles of WMD exist in Iraq." - George W. Bush

No such stockpiles of WMD has ever been found.
Not in Iraq.  Not anywhere else.

IOW, George W. Bush lied.

Going to war under false pretenses is a criminal offense.
That is why Dennis Kunich introduced legislation to impeach
the bastards (Bush & Cheney).

But let's look at your argument - that Hussein sent WMD's elsewhere.
Bush orders an invasion of Iraq.  No stockpiles of WMD found.
Oops!  Those stockpiles of WMD must be someplace else!  Let's
invade Syria!  Oops!  None there, either.  Those stockpiles of
WMD must be someplace else!  Let's invade Iran!  Oops!  Those
stockpiles of WMD must be someplace else!  Let's invade Mexico!

>JS>His consistant jerking around of the UN inspectors showed
>JS>that he (Hussein) didn't want the world to know for sure what he
>JS>had.

>MV>Nobody wants to let the worls know exactly what they have.

>JS>It would seem that if Hussein really wanted to show the world
>JS>how wrong the US/Coalition was he would have made a effort. I
>JS>submit that we don't KNOW if Hussein had WMD's and if so to what
>JS>degree.

>LL>Everybody (including the United Nations) knew that George W. Bush's
>LL>claim was bogus.

JS>Then why did the UNMOVIC present a report to the Security Council
JS>on Hussein's dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during
JS>the war?

Why did the final report on WMDs conclude there were no stockpiles
of WMD in Iraq?  Because no stockpiles of WMD existed!  Not in Iraq,
not in Syria, not anyplace else!

>JS>But... The same should be said of the US. If the US government
>JS>fealt that it could say that WMD's were in Iraq. The US should have
>JS>been able to provide verification if requested.

>LL>The burden of proof was on George W. Bush.  He could not produce
>LL>any proof of his wild claim because he had no such proof.  That is
>LL>why everybody knows George W. Bush lied.

>JS>If he was so sincere about wanting people to know the truth he
>JS>wouldn't have worked so hard to conceal the truth.

>MV>It turned out he *was* telling the truth. He kept denying there
>MV>were WMD's in Iraq and he tld the truth.

>JS>We still don't know that to be true.

>LL>Show me those stockpiles of wmd that George W. Bush claims exist in
>LL>Iraq.  You can't?  Don't feel bad.  Neither could George W. Bush.

JS>Yeah... Stop by and I'll show them to ya.

Wha'?  You're having Bush and Cheney over for dinner?

>JS>It is true that to my knowledge none were found.

>LL>It is to everybody's knowledge (including George W. Bush) that no such
>LL>stockpiles of wmd exist in Iraq.  If such stockpiles of wmd did exist
>LL>and had been found, those stockpiles of wmd would have been produced
>LL>as evidence for all to see.  And if such stockpiles of wmd did exist
>LL>in Iraq, those stockpiles of wmd would have been found.  But since no
>LL>such stockpiles of wmd has ever been found to exist in Iraq, we all
>LL>know that George W. Bush told a lie.  Not just any lie, but a Big Lie.

JS>Umm... Lee I said that none were found.

"I know stockpiles of WMD exist in Iraq." - George W. Bush

For that statement to have been true, stockpiles of WMD in Iraq
would have had to have been found.  By your very admisstion, George
W. Bush lied.

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