Text 23146, 107 rader
Skriven 2008-11-04 11:29:18 av Lee Lofaso (3:800/432.0)
  Kommentar till text 23106 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: An unconvenient truth 2/
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JS>Or, did he specifically know there were no WMD's?

Bush most definitely knew he told a lie.

JS>Does it really matter Michiel?

Yes.

>JS>I will also say that Bush was wrong for using the matter of WMD's
>JS>as a reason for the Iraqi war as their existance hadn't been
>JS>verified.

>MV>Face it Jeff: Your elected president lied to you and the American
>MV>people believed it. An estimated 150 to 600 thousand people died

JS>And how many of those are estimated deaths versus confirmed
JS>deaths?

Nobody will ever know.
What is known is hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women
and children in Iraq died as a result of Bush's lie.  Not to mention
the thousands of US soldiers who died as a result of Bush's lie.

JS>How many untold thousands of people would have continued to
JS>die under the Hussein dictatorship and for how many years?

Nobody will ever know.
What is known is hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women
and children in Iraq would still be alive today.  Along with
thousands of US soldiers.

JS>The one thing that I will say is that the Hussein evil was
JS>a known quantity in Iraq.

Oh, boy!  Let's eliminate all the evil dictators in the world
by invading each and every country where such evil dictators rule!
Now that the evil dictator of Iraq is gone, we can move on to
North Korea!  And to Syria!  And to Venezuela!  And to Cuba!
And to China!  Oops.  We can't invade China.  Too many people.
And Wal-Mart would go out of business.  I guess we'll just
have to give China a pass...

JS>But I also continue to think that a chance for a better life
JS>for the Iraqi people is better than no chance. Which looked to
JS>be the case with Hussein.

What better life?  Them people have been offing each other for
centuries!  Replacing one tinpot dictator with another tinpot
dictator is not going to change things.  Nor will continued
occupation of that country stop Iraqis from doing things the
Iraqi way.  They might be playing nice right now, given our
presence.  But once we leave (and we will leave) Iraqis will
go back to their old ways of doing things the Iraqi way.

>MV>because of that dreadful mistake.

JS>Whether it was a mistake or not all depends on who you ask.

It was a mistake from the get-go.  But it made some folks very
wealthy.  War profiteers.  Know what I mean?  Mostly old men.
At the expense of lots of young men.  Them old farts think it
was a great idea!

>JS>I will also submit that your dislike of the US makes you willing
>JS>to believe anything that speaks ill of the US or it's government.

>MV>You mix up cause and effect.

>MV>Saddam was an ruthless dictator, but it is the US that is responsible
>MV>for the present mess in Iraq. That - among other things - is the cause
>MV>for my dislike.

JS>I can understand your reasons.

Fidel Castro was a ruthless dictator.
And yet we chose to allow him to remain in power.

Mao Tse Tung was a ruthless dictator.
And yet we chose to allow him to remain in power.

Josef Stalin was a ruthless dictator.
And yet we chose to allow him to remain in power.

Pol Pot was a ruthless dictator.
And yet we chose to allow him to remain in power.

Idi Amin was a ruthless dictator.
And yet we chose to allow him to remain in power.

There are lots of ruthless dicators in the world today.
And yet we choose to allow them to remain in power.

Why is it that GWB had this thing to off one evil dictator in Iraq,
while allowing all them other evil dictators to continue on?

The only thing I can figure is GWB got his lessons from Richard
Nixon, who had this thing to off one evil dictator in Chile.

--Lee


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