Text 33310, 96 rader
Skriven 2009-06-11 02:37:12 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
  Kommentar till text 33258 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Saberi vs Blom
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Hello Michiel.

10 Jun 09 11:10, you wrote to me:

 MV> Hello Jeff,

 MV> On Wednesday June 10 2009 01:20, you wrote to me:

 JS>>    Whether we agree with the outcome of the cases or not. It is
 JS>> the judgement of the courts that determine the guilt.

 MV> And Saberi was found guilty in an Iranian court. Ling and Lee were
 MV> found guilty in a North Korean court.

   Do you dispute the verdict in either case?

 JS>> But in this forum you do indeed judge people, laws, Etc. Here you
 JS>> have judged Blom as not having broken any law.

 MV> My main problem with the Blom case was that he was lured into a trap
 MV> by a US policeman while he was still on Dutch soil and not violating
 MV> Dutch law.

   I agree Michiel that he was enticed into coming to the US to have sex
with children. But HE made the choice to take advantage of the opportunity
that he saw available to him. What he came to the US to do is illegal here.

 JS>> You generally put down most things about country's that you don't
 JS>> like. I once asked you to name five things you liked about
 JS>> America. You couldn't mention one single thing.

 MV> Yes, you asked me ONCE. You took one single snapshot and base you
 MV> opinion of me on that and that alone. That I later came up with
 MV> several things I liked about the US is something you ignore.

   Hardly Michiel. That was but one example. I base my opinion on many
things that you have stated. And on the fact that you seem to take every
opportunity to put down or critisize the US and it's people. The US like
many other countries has both good and bad things that can be said about
it.

 JS>> That speaks volumes about your attitude and your ability to judge

 MV> It says more about you that you make the result of a single snapshot
 MV> into the basis of judgement.

   If it was but a single snapshot I wouldn't have even said anything. How
many times in this forum have we discussed this very topic? How many
times have I questioned you on why you dislike people that you have never
tried to get to know?

 JS>> When was the last time you were in the US?

 MV> When was the last time you were in The Netherlands? When was the last
 MV> time you were outside US borders for that matter?

    I have never been to the Netherlands. And I therefor can not offer a
judgement on whether I like the Netherlands or not. My statements about you
are not based on what country that you come from. But instead are based on
you as a individual.

    I also notice that you declined to answer the question presented to
you.  And could only respond with a question. A question that I was willing
to answer.


 JS>> What first hand personal experiences have you had here in the US
 JS>> that you base your judgements about the US on?

 MV> What first hand personal experience do you have with me that you base
 MV> your judgement on me on?

   I base my opinion of you Michiel on what you have stated and done. Now
if you have not meant what you have said and done then my opinion of you
would be in error.

 JS>> Was it not you that has stated that you don't put value in
 JS>> heresay and require proof prior to making a judgement?

 MV> One does not have to be in a country to acquire proof about it.

   That depends on how accurate one cares to be about their opinions
and judgements. I would not try to judge people or life in the Netherlands
if I had never been there and have no experiences to base that judgement
on. I suppose I could base an opinion on what I hear or see on the
tele. But I wouldn't know how much was actually true.

 MV> Cheers, Michiel

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Jeff

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