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Skriven 2009-08-11 09:06:58 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 34835 av WAYNE CHIRNSIDE (1:123/140)
Ärende: affordable health care
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10 Aug 09 15:49, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to ROY WITT:

 WC> -=> ROY WITT wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RW>> 10 Aug 09 12:26, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to ROBERT BASHE:


 =>>> ROBERT BASHE wrote to JEFF SMITH <=-

 RB>>> Jeff Smith wrote to David Drummond on Sunday August 09 2009 at
 RB>>> 23:30:

 JS>>> When does the baby's life start? At conception or at the baby's
 JS>>> first breath?

 RB>>> That's the first question. The second is "who has the right to
 RB>>> decide other people's lives without risking his own wealth and
 RB>>> reputation?"

 WC>> The Republican party that's who!

 RW>> Wrong.

 WC>> Remember Terri Schiavo?

 RW>> Yes.

 WC>> She was a local event as her nursing home was 10 miles north of
 WC>> here.

 RW>> So?

 WC>> A Republican member of Congress who is also a doctor stated
 WC>> that Terri Schiavo was responsive and so not brain dead.

 RW>> And so she was. But her husband decided that she wasn't and ordered
 RW>> her life support to be removed in spite of her parents wishes that
 RW>> she remain alive.

 WC> She was not alive in any sentient sense of the word, she was a
 WC> vegetable as visually demonstrated by her Pet scan, her _brain_ was
 WC> liquified.

Wrong.

 WC> Her HUSBAND was the one who should have had made her
 WC> end of life decisions in conjuction with prevailing medical opinion
 WC> she had ZERO chance for recovery.

Her husband only wanted to get rid of her. He had no compassion for her
physical well being, nor did he give a shit what happened to her, as long
as he was free of it.

 WC> No brain, no person.

How do you survive?

 WC>> A medical teaching university posted Terri Schiavo's PET scan
 WC>> showing most of her brain matter was *gone* replaced only
 WC>> with fluid with bits and pieces of brain none connected to the brain
 WC>> stem. Maybe 15 - 20 percent.

 RW>> "So how can Judge Greer ignore the opinions of so many qualified
 RW>> neurologists, some of whom are leaders in the field? The answer is
 RW>> that Michael Schiavo, his attorney George Felos, and Judge Greer
 RW>> already have the diagnosis they want.

 WC> Wannt had nothing to do with it.

BS...

 WC> Michael Schiavo initially worked hard to see she be kept alive until
 WC> it was proven to him she had no chance for recovery

BS, she would have been in much better physical condition if he had.

 WC> at which point he conveyed her wishes she not be on life support with
 WC> no chance at recovery.

That's not what she wanted.

 WC> I've seen Terri Schiavo's PET scan, have you?

I don't need to see it, but I'll take the word of umpteen MDs who have.

Besides, yoiu wouldn't know the difference between a monkey brain and a
brain fart.

 WC> Sent a copy to my sister Dr. Coughlin too.

 RW>> Terri's diagnosis was arrived at without the benefit of testing that
 RW>> most neurologists would consider standard for diagnosing PVS. One
 RW>> such test is MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). MRI is widely used
 RW>> today, even for ailments as simple as knee injuries - but Terri has
 RW>> never had one. Michael has repeatedly refused to consent to one. The
 RW>> neurologists I have spoken to have reacted with shock upon learning
 RW>> this fact. One such neurologist is Dr. Peter Morin. He is a
 RW>> researcher specializing in degenerative brain diseases, and has both
 RW>> an M.D. and a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Boston University.

 WC> What about the Positron Emissive Tomography scan that WAS done,
 WC> it was conclusive beyond any doubt.

It was done.

 WC> No brain, no Terri

Wrong. Her brain showed signs of activity.

 RW>> In the course of my conversation with Dr. Morin, he made reference
 RW>> to the standard use of MRI and PET (Positron Emission Tomography)
 RW>> scans to diagnose the extent of brain injuries. He seemed to assume
 RW>> that these had been done for Terri. I stopped him and told him that
 RW>> these tests have never been done for her; that Michael had refused
 RW>> them.

 WC> The PET scan was done.

Yes it was. But contrary to what you say, it wasn't available to the
public.

 WC> I saw and downloaded it as well as sent it to my sister Dr. Coughlin.

How do you know it was hers? Maybe it was a monkey brain.

 WC> It was later withdrawn from the medical .edu site for medical
 WC> ethical reasons.

 WC> But while it was available it was used in a course teaching medical
 WC> ethics.

 RW>> There was a moment of dead silence. "

 RW>> By Reverend Robert Johansen

 RB>>> The second a government and/or church and/or antiabortion group
 RB>>> makes a legally enforceable pledge to financially care for unwanted
 RB>>> children is the second my opinion in this matter will change. Until
 RB>>> then, I remain the opinion that people who want to decide for
 RB>>> others must also accept the financial consequances. Anything else
 RB>>> is pure hypocrisy.

 WC>> If this is a free country  let it be the woman's choice.

 RW>> That's why Roe v Wade is still the guideline.

 WC>> The brain doesn't develop until the second trimester anyway making
 WC>> the fetus no more human nor sentient than a testicular cancer tumor.

 RW>> Wrong. The brain is developed during the 1st trimester.


 RW>> Week 5: The embryonic period begins

 WC> Which has no brain.

I guess your reading comprehension missed the part where the brain begins
to develop almost immediatly after conseption.

 WC> Doesn't develop until second trimester, when during that period
 WC> is still subject to argument.

Wrong, it has already begun to develop in the first few weeks. What you
should be saying is that it isn't completely developed.

 RW>> Illustration of embryo three weeks after conception     Fetal
 RW>> development three weeks after conception

 WC> Development, a blastocyst without any brain development.

Wrong, as usual.

                R\%/itt

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the victory itself.

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