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Skriven 2007-04-28 00:09:05 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
    Kommentar till text 210 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: All Bush's Fault
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23 Apr 07 15:09, LEE LOFASO wrote to ROY WITT:

 LL> Hello Roy,

 >>LL> How did the nutcase student who murdered 32 people at Virginia
 >>LL> Tech manage to pass an instant federal background check in order
 >>LL> to purchase two handguns at a pawn shop?

 RW>> Let it be known that you cannot buy a firearm from a pawn shop,
 RW>> unless that pawn shop has a federal firearms license to buy and
 RW>> sell. Let it also be known that firearms are not sold directly to an
 RW>> individual over the internet; they must be delivered through a
 RW>> federally licensed firearms dealer.

 LL> Cho bought two handguns from a pawn shop, along with some practice
 LL> ammo. Cho bought real ammo from eBay.

Well, that shows us how much you don't know...Cho would have had to buy a
firearm from a federally licensed pawn shop. who would have had to run an
instant check to make the sale...Ebay, does not allow firearms nor
ammunition to be sold on there system...

There is no arguing these points, as they are fact and not the fiction
that you've been spreading. I might add, lying about.

 >>LL> Since a judge (Special Justice Paul M. Barnett) had ruled in
 >>LL> December 2005 that he "presents an imminent danger to himself as a
 >>LL> result of mental illness", federal law should have prevented him
 >>LL> from being able to purchase weapons.

 RW>> IF, and that's a big IF, the 'Special Justice' had notified someone
 RW>> besides the defendant of his status.

 LL> No ifs ands or buts about it.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 LL> The judge ordered Cho to a psychiatric hospital.  The judge ruled Cho
 LL> mentally incompetent, based on doctors' evalutations.

He may have, but he never reported it to anyone...that's where your story
falls short...had he follwoed the law, he would have reported it to the
FBI/ATF database...he didn't.

 >>LL> Especially since he had been evaluated by a pyschiatric hospital
 >>LL> and treated at a mental health facility.

 RW>> Which there was no record of until after the fact.

 LL> Bullcrap.

I only deal in facts, not the lies that you've reported here...

 >>LL> Federal regulations from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
 >>LL> and Explosives bar the sale of guns to individuals who have been
 >>LL> "adjudicated mentally defective."

 RW>> And there's the problem. He wasn't adjudicated mentally unfit to
 RW>> possess a firearm.

 LL> Yes he was.  By a judge and psychiatrists.

No, he was not...if he had, there would be a record of it in the FBI/ATF
database...he didn't report it.

 >>LL> Cho was definitely "mentally defective" and had been adjudicated as
 >>LL> such.

 RW>> Actually, he wasn't mentally defective, as he was able to plan and
 RW>> carry out the shooting. That shows that he was quite capable. And
 RW>> no, he was not adjudicated, it was merely stated by a 'special
 RW>> judge' who didn't go beyond making the statement.

 LL> Cho was clearly "an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental
 LL> illness",

That may be, but he wasn't mentally defective...his two hour delay to
manufacture a video record before he killed the other 30, proves that he
was capable of thinking and planning...he was, in his own mind, rational.

 LL>  as stated by the judge.

But, never filed with the FBI nor the ATF...

 LL> He was also clearly a danger to others, as demonstrated on the
 LL> Virginia Tech campus.

Since the judge failed to do his job thoroughly, this is a moot statement.

 LL>   IOW, Cho was a total nutcase, and deemed such by a judge and
 LL> psychiatrists.

But never reported to federal authorities as such...thus the judge is at
fault here and should be reprimanded for his inability to perform his
duties.

 >>LL> Federal regulations go on to stipulate "...a determination by a
 >>LL> court ... or other lawful authority that a person as a result of
 >>LL> marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness ... is a danger to
 >>LL> himself or to others."

 RW>> And?

 LL> Cho was prohibited from purchasing firearms under existing federal
 LL> law.

Wrong again...

 >>LL> Here is the answer to the original question -

 >>LL> Cities and states are unable to send the information needed to
 >>LL> update federal background checks.  Why is that?

 RW>> They're not, so the question is moot.

 LL> Without adequate funding, cities and states are unable to send the
 LL> information needed to update federal background checks.

It is not the job of local government to report this information; it's the
job of the federally licensed firearms dealer...that's why we have instant
background checks these days, and they're not any part of your local
government's obligation to the feds.

 LL> That is why the information about Cho was not entered,

Wrong again.

 LL> thus enabling Cho to pass the instant federal background check.

Wrong again.

 >>LL> Because our fine president has underfunded what is needed for
 >>LL> cities and states to be able to do so.

 RW>> Each state has it's own version of the federal Justice Department,
 RW>> which is funded by each state's legislature. Each state's justice
 RW>> departments also report to the FBI and ATF on a regular basis.

 LL> There is only one federal Department of Justice, (dim) Witt.

In this particular instance, there are two federal investigation agencies
that deal with firearms...the FBI and the ATF...and the person here who is
dimwitted is not I, 7 watt

 >>LL> IOW, cities and states do not have the money to be able to update
 >>LL> the databases.

 RW>> That's bullshit. Each federally licensed firearms dealer is required
 RW>> to send sales and buyer personal information to the ATFE on a
 RW>> monthly basis...

 LL> Cho was deemed mentally incompetent in December of 2005.

But never reported to the FBI or ATF...go on - you were saying;

 LL> Why was that information not included in the database?

I've already explained that to you...are you dense? Sorry, I didn't know
that you were...I'll keep that in mind the next time I need to talk to a
wall.


All of the rest of your bullshit deleted for brevity...I really don't need
to be repeating myself to a wall.

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but
that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan


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