Text 4265, 117 rader
Skriven 2007-07-12 09:45:48 av Roy Witt (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 4250 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
Ärende: Bush and Putin
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"Björn Forsström -> Roy Witt" <2:203/614.61> wrote in message
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 BF>>> Then they have to learn to calculate the job better.

 RW>> Having had some experience in that field, I can tell you that most jobs
 RW>> outside
 RW>> of the normal assembly line work,  are planned very well by people with
 RW>> plenty
 RW>> of reference material and experience in the line of work. They don't
miss
 RW>> an estimate by a day and a half.

 BF> And I who thought they were humans who could do mistakes.

Not a day and a half's worth, for sure.

 BF>>> Of course but they are over 200 employed and this time he should
install
 BF>>> a fire-alarm at a factory and his colleague had to move to another
place
 BF>>> so what should he do?

 RW>> So it's his colleague's fault.

 BF> So the boss that ordered him to another job have nothing to do with it?
And
 BF> the boss is the company and how does an employee go against the boss?

If that's the case, why is he in deep shit over it?


 BF>>> Leave it half-finished when the time was out?

 RW>> Inform whoever he answers to about the situation.

 BF> As far as I know he did and when he did that they blaimed him for the
delay
and
 BF> took that for a cause to fire him.

Maybe he wasn't doing what they told him.


 BF>>> Being my own I know that sometimes it doesn't work out 100% but next
time
 BF>>> it works out 120% and that is something that has to be calculated with.

 RW>> So what you're saying is that he's an independant contracter?

 BF> Uhhh....try to read it again.

"Being my own" ???


 BF>>>>> We live in the Trollhättan area where SAAB is made and even they are
 BF>>>>> fireing people so.

 RW>>>> Firing, or laying them off?

 BF>>> Firing.

 RW>> How can that be when they're protected by a union. Aren't they the
 RW>> ultimate saving grace for the blue collar working man?

 BF> Obviously you haven't a clue about how it works with unions here and going
into
 BF> details with you here in the echo isn't possible but any company can
 BF> fire people

Of course they can. But the union is there to protect the worker. If they
don't,
no need for the union.

 BF> but have to go out with a notice first and then it is negotiations between
the
 BF> company and the union that decides how many that have to leave and when.

You're leaving a lot out of this story.

 RW>>>> Over-runs don't produce profits. No profits, no company, no
 RW>> jobs...Unions are a drag on companies and their employees.

 BF>>> Unions are a drag....? I suppose you mean that they help to make
 BF>>> companies to go bankrupt?

 RW>> Matter of fact. They cause more problems than they solve.

 BF> Perhaps that is your experience of it in USA but it sure isn't like that
here.

Probably not, since your unions don't protect their members.

 BF>>> Normally the company and the union work perfectly good togheter and the
 BF>>> union are there to make sure employees aren't abused.

 RW>> The union and the company have a contract between them. Both sides know
 RW>> what they can and cannot do within that contract. If there's no
contract,
 RW>> there's no union.

 BF> As far as I know there exist no contract between the company and the
 BF> union here.

Then the company doesn't have to negotiate lay-offs with the union, they can
just do it.

 BF> All is regulated by laws and the union is the one that look after the
 BF> employees rights
 BF> and make sure that the company follows the law and when the company and
the
 BF> union diagree it is up to a court to decide.

What a waste of time.

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