Text 6247, 182 rader
Skriven 2007-09-18 13:10:08 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Kommentar till text 6120 av FidoNews Robot (2:2/2.0)
Ärende: FidoNews 24:38 [03/06]: General Articles
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17 Sep 07 10:13, FidoNews Robot wrote to All:
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FR> GENERAL ARTICLES
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FR> Deja vu
FR> By Ward Dossche 2:292/854
FR> So far I haven't seen a single message emanating from any other zone
FR> complaining about the current Fidonews editor.
Apparently you haven't been reading the FIDONEWS echo.
FR> And I am forced to revert to the game of numbers again ... this zone
FR> still is 85-90% of the listed nodes in the nodelist.
Other than you three stooges, who else in Z2 is still there? And you must
be reverting to your old mental illness if you think percentages is the
rule.
FR> If 85-90% has no problem,
You're saying that you, Michiel and Bjorn are the majority in Z2?
FR> then it is justified to ask whether there is a problem.
You've been blindly reading this and the FNS echo and havn't noticed that
many users have expressed their distaste for the Felten's posts? And
you're a ZC? Interesting.
FR> Funny how the wording sounds familiar that "At this point, the number
FR> of people who have contacted me about this is growing ..."
You don't know if they have or haven't...when proof is given, if it ever
is, that should be interesting.
FR> It is very reminding of the period not so far behind us when
FR> coincidentally the same ZC used nearly the same vocabularium to force
FR> a vote about the IC at that time.
Wasn't that the same era where you ignored P4 and stated that you were the
IC for life, due to the unprecedented percentages way you came up with to
make Z2 the biggest zone in Fidonet? Yes, that's probably why you were
deposed.
FR> Also then "a number of sysops" were involved though no-one outside of
FR> the small group could be identified.
Need anyone be identified before we all know that the person serving as
IC was a nut job?
FR> But of course, said ZC did not say the complaints came from zone-2,
FR> or zone-3, or zone-4 or zone-5 .... merely "outside the USA" ...
FR> naturally, outside the USA there's Canada in zone-1.... So, does
FR> Canada want the removal of the current Fidonews editor?
Well, maybe Joe doesn't...
FR> It must be because I have experienced at least the people in zones 2,
FR> 3, 4 and 5 to display a willingness for open debate and concensus.
What people of any zone except zone 2 are there? We know of 2 or 3 from z3
who even bother to get into that discussion. Zone 5? Who is there besides
the ZC5 who's ever been seen in this echo? A better consensus would be,
who among all zones reads the Snooze?
FR> Commando raids have not taken place in these zones, at least not
FR> since Oct.8th 1994.
Which means nothing.
FR> Then there is the second element of the communication which is even
FR> more disturbing and even frightening.
FR> Using the mail-, in this case filedistribution-, weapon to get one's
FR> way is below anything I've ever witnessed in Fidonet. And I saw a
FR> lot.
I think it's a good idea. Had Felten paid heed to those who told him to
stop his USA bashing, it may not have come to this. One thing I've noticed
about his editorship: when someone from zone 1 writes a controversial
article, someone from Z2 somehow gets wind of the article and writes one
that is opposed to it and it's not only printed in the same issue, it's
also printed at the bottom of the first article.
FR> Controling the mail, controling the files is something which we have
FR> come to expect from governmental bodies such as the Department of
FR> Homeland Security and as a consequence I'm really baffled beyond
FR> belief that this apparently is possible in nowadays Fidonet.
I'm not. You, Vlist and the Felten have made your bed, now you can lie in
it.
FR> History repeats itself and, oh yes, Fidonet repeats itself too.
No shit.
FR> History repeats itself and Fidonet also repeats itself but I do not
FR> plan to play along in this Fidonews-editor phallacy. I'm not buying
FR> this new story and I'm not co-operating if this was the intent of the
FR> intervention. We don't do business here that way. I'm a firm believer
FR> in debate and concensus, not in commando-raids and we are not at a
FR> point where we have to proceed in that way.
Perhaps you have missed the debate.
FR> I find the accusation of the Fidonews editor's unwillingness to print
FR> certain articles quite farfetched and unacceptable.
I don't. He's either claimed it never got there or it didn't make it
through the spam filter. When an email message is sent, if it doesn't
arrive, the sender gets a message that says so. My spam filter on
z28krazy.com lets a spam message through the first time, and lets me know
about it. The Felten claims to be technically above the rest of us, so I
can't imagine him not getting an email with an article attached.
FR> Yet again "several sysops" have complained about this, no names are
FR> mentioned and no verifiable proof is presented that indeed articles
FR> were delivered and omitted.
Ahh, you missed that debate too.
FR> Nevertheless the pen of Sean Dennis, Steven Horn, Gord Hannah, Janis
FR> Kracht and Roger Nelson can easily be recognised ... ah yes, 2
FR> Canadians. So this is a truly international, nay global, movement.
FR> Personaly I would not be surprised if bad routing inside z1 to 2:2/2
FR> would be core to this.
Ummm, z1 routing has what to do with email?
FR> Addressing mail to 2:2/2 would normally route it via my system being
FR> the 2:2/0 and my tracker's logs do not corroborate the claim.
So you're the culprit. Articles are subject to bad routing in z2...
FR> The other kind of proof could be a mailer-log of a direct-delivery.
FR> That is also not presented, as a matter of fact "nothing" is
FR> presented.
Articles of Discovery will be presented in court...
FR> For those interested in reading the ultimatum by Janis Kracht copied
FR> in-extenso below, please be aware that the phrasing "growing numbers
FR> of sysops" means 7 people ... the 5 mentioned above plus 2 others.
Now that the cat is out of the bag, those numbers are growing
exponentally.
FR> In the meantime Roy Witt is allowed by the same 7 people to continue
FR> his daily diatribe unharmed.
Again, you've been absent from reallity. First, P4 doesn't cover echomail.
Secondly, the rules of said echo allow any nodelisted sysop to post
anything they wish. If there is a problem with those posts and if there
was a moderator in said echo, he/she and only he/she should be able to do
something about it. Anybody who pulls rank should have his nuts squeezed
until they pop out of his mouth.
FR> Now why am I not impressed?
You're too dense to be impressed by anything, except distractions in
FN_SYSOP.
FR> You see how easy it is BTW to get an article published? And if you
FR> don't like what I write, what stops you then to provide content for
FR> Fidonews yourself?
FR> It's all too easy, it's all too hushed-up, it's all too ... deja vu!
From here, it all looks like more bullshit from you.
FR> "No ir s jugar con mis cojones"
"No esté demasiado seguro acerca de eso."
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