Text 7077, 98 rader
Skriven 2007-10-06 16:32:40 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
   Kommentar till text 7076 av Jeff Smith (1:14/5)
Ärende: FidoGazette
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Jeff Smith -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Was that message signed "moderator" or "editor"?

 JS>     Doesn't really matter. What matters is how the users see him. If they
 JS> see him, his insults, his hatreds, his bashing, his arrogance in the same
 JS> echo that he also moderators. That is what they will associate with the
 JS> Fidonews echo and the Fidonews. Does the editor and/or moderator care?
 JS> Doesn't look like it. Therein lies the problem David.

How _some_ "users" see Björn is their problem - is it not? We in the free world
see most of you US Americans as arrogant evil imperialist bastards. Will you be
changing your ways to alter our perception of you, or will you be telling us to
"shut up and get over it, that we're wrong"?

 JS> If Felten shows people that he doesn't give a damn. THAT is what the users
will see
 JS> regardless of Felten's actual intent. He has stated that he is perfectly
 JS> capable of keeping his roles seperate. That could be true David but it
 JS> doesn't mean much when that isn't what he shows the users. They see him,
 JS> his actions, his inactions, his biases, his insults, Etc. THAT i what they
 JS> see and that is what they will associate with Fidonews.

I repeat, what _some_ users perceive is their problem. Not all users see Björn
through the same shit coloured glasses that you use - are they wrong too?

 JS>>>     Yet you feel that you can be as insulting and arrogant as you
 JS>>> like. After all you are the editor and the moderator here. A fine
 JS>>> example you set for the users.

 DD>> What is this fixation you have for Björn being some sort of role
 DD>> model? Is that written somewhere in his job specs?

 JS>      It doesn't have to be in the job description to be a desired and
 JS> common sense type of thing.

Common to whom? Why must the whole world conform to _your_ view of how thing
should be, why isn't Björn allowed to work by his values? Do you really think
you're that important?

 JS> And no, Björn doesn't need to be a role
 JS> model. But one would think that since he is also the editor and the
 JS> moderator that he would have some interest in what people think of the
 JS> Fidonews and the Fidonews echo. Or is it that his priorities are more
 JS> focused on his ability to have a forum for his own personal use.

Many others use the forum - _you_ included - for airing their opinions. It
obviously is _not_ his personal forum.

 JS>>> It must be one of the those do as I say, but not as
 JS>>> I do type of things. You cry freedom of speech when bashing the
 JS>>> people, the governments, and the countries that you dislike.

 DD>> Does he sign these cries "moderator' or "editor"? Björn is a sysop in
 DD>> Fidonet, just as you and I are. He is entitled to an opinion just as
 DD>> you and I are.

 JS>     Your absolutely right David. And I have never suggested that he
doesn't
 JS> have the right to his opinion. He also has the right to dislike or hate
 JS> whatever or whomever he chooses. That isn't the point and you know it.

Of course, I get it... He is allowed his opinions, and allowed to hate whomever
he wants to, as long as he doesn't air those views anywhere where his views
don't conform to yours.

 JS>>> While you do have
 JS>>> that freedom do you also have the wisdom to know when it is best
 JS>>> to use it? For the Fidonews to survive the editor and moderator
 JS>>> should be more concerned about what is best for Fidonews and less
 JS>>> concerned about themselves and their ability to attack that which
 JS>>> they don't happen to like.

 DD>> That's your opinion - and you're entitled to it, however much it
 DD>> sucks. Why is Björn not entitled to one too?

 JS>      There you go. In your mind the use of commom sense and the use of
 JS> wisdom sucks.

Common sense? Common to whom? Your view of common is not common everywhere.
When will you get that through your mind? We out here in the free world don't
always see things as you do.

 JS> That would explain why you are defending Felten. My opinion
 JS> is to use wisdom and common sense in the execution of one's
 JS> responsibilities. And you think that idea sucks.

Wisdom and common sense are very subjective, not everyone's values are the same
as yours.

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regards

David

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