Text 10419, 71 rader
Skriven 2010-09-16 17:32:11 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
  Kommentar till text 10310 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
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 WD> EP1 and P4 are interesting guidelines to live by to make this hobby
 WD> work, however one needs to consider that at least one of these was
 WD> forced down our throats basically on the the threat that "... or
 WD> else you'll lose a good thing!" meaning cut-off from worldwide
 WD> mail-distribution which mainly was run and decided in ...you
 WD> guessed it ... zone-1 without any concern of the feelings, ideas,
 WD> wishes, whatever from other zones.

funny that... Z1 didn't loose a thing by NOT accepting EP1... in fact, Z1
gained quite a bit when all the history is actually looked at ;)
  
 WD> It is best described by the wording taken out of EP1 which states: 
 WD>   "V.18. ... This is not intended to discourage participation of
 WD> foreign   zones or networks, which may permit said characters."
 WD>  
 WD> Think about it ... what is a "foreign zone"? From our point of view
 WD> zone-2 certainly is not foreign at all. The wording alone implies a
 WD> lot of things and whoever is open to it can read a lot of things in
 WD> it.

all the more reason why no zone should ever have put it in place or have ever
thought about doing such... methinks that someone stepped in something way back
and it is much too late for them to correct it... too bad others that have
followed in their footsteps keep stepping in the same "something" and still
haven't learned how to avoid such or even how to correct the shituation... as
Z2C, why don't you go ahead and recind EP1's enforcement... you have the power
in the same way that the Z2C who put it in place did... by edict... or... maybe
you don't want to remove it because it also gives "power over others to a
certain group" and "that group" doesn't want to loose those powers?
  
 WD> Other than that, the same paragraph has a major goof. It says
 WD> verbatin "ASCII 128-255" ... there is no such thing. But when
 WD> reading the whole paragraph in its absolute meaning, then we come
 WD> to the situation that:  
 WD> 1) Higher-ASCII 128-255 cannot be used in Zone-1 (for which this
 WD> document    obviously was intended)

in that case, Z2 should never have even thought about considering the
document...

 WD> 2) Other zones than "1" can perfectly use high-ascii 128-255. But
 WD> ... we     don't exactly know what a "foreign" zone is, and if we
 WD> don't know that    then we have no idea whichone the "not foreign
 WD> zone" is. We can only    assume.

that's a second reason why Z2 should never have even thought about considering
the document...

 WD> 3) Echomailprocessors are not allowed to strip non-standard
 WD> characters, they    must be passed "as is"

and there's a 3rd reason... so what's the problem?? why is it in force in Z2?

 WD> 4) Conclusion: zone-1 echomailprocessors must pass zone-2
 WD> high-ascii messages    unaltered but by doing so are in breach with
 WD> the non high-ascii rule    from 1).

see what happens when politicians play political games with technical
standards? ;)
  
 WD> My opinion is that there was a brain-lapse occuring when that was
 WD> invented, whether it was a temporary or permanent brain-lapse I
 WD> cannot say.  

aw... come on... you know who the main force was behind EP1, right? think about
it... if/when you do know or figure it out, you'll more understand the control
aspects of the document...

)\/(ark

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