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Skriven 2011-01-19 13:18:20 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 13674 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Welcome to the 21st century in a supposedly civilized country
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19 Jan 11 12:18, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> And others say it was much later. Who cares, it is myth anyway.

 RW>> The belief in and the worshiping of a god may be myth, but those
 RW>> writings also serve as a history of the middleast...

 MvdV> That it is mixed with myth does not make it reliable as a
 MvdV> historical document.

True, but people have been investigating such things in the bible that can
be investigated even today.

 MvdV>>>>> Prove that that part was written down at 100 AD.

 RW>>>>  Prove that it was written "a couple of hundred years later".

 MvdV>>> I have no need to prove anyhing. It is myth anyway.

 RW>> But you wanted ME to prove it.

 MvdV> Not really I jsut wanted to see if you had any proof, Other than
 MvdV> tha, I do not really care.

Same here, thanks.

 MvdV>>> And than 70 years later, this assumed eye witness realizes he
 MvdV>>> has seen something of importance and writes it down.  Yeah
 MvdV>>> right...

 RW>> With the life expectancy of 50 years or so,

 MvdV> Better make that 35 or so.

Even better.

 RW>> I doubt that the eye witness was around to write it down then,

 MvdV> That is what I said, but it was YOUR suggestion that an eye witness
 MvdV> wrote it down around 100 AD.

Ok.

 RW>>  but he may have earlier.

 MvdV> So this eye witness wrote it down earlier, but kept it under his
 MvdV> hat for a couple of decades? he thought it important enough to
 MvdV> write it down, but not important enough to sherr it with others?
 MvdV> Makes no sense...

He may have written it down, but kept it put away. When he croaked,
perhaps someone thought it was important enough to pass along. Maybe,
maybe not.

 MvdV> Anyway.. too many maybe's.

Yeup.

 MvdV>>> Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable. Human memory is
 MvdV>>> notoriously unreliable. A testimony from an eye witness
 MvdV>>> written down 70 years after the event might as well be
 MvdV>>> classified as fable.

 RW>> I'd say so.

 MvdV> Right.

OTH, my father wrote his autobiography and some of the information within
amazes me in how he could remember things in his life when he was 5 years
old, when he was 83...i.e. I have photos of my brother and I when I was 5
years old. I don't remember the circumstances surrounding that photo, but
I remember the WW1 helmet I was wearing and the wooden rifles we had in
the photo.

 MvdV>>> Also not that at that time, people did not live that long. 90
 MvdV>>> year olds would be extermely scarce. So that assumed witness
 MvdV>>> would in all likehood be the ONLY eye witness left. No one left
 MvdV>>> to confirm or contradict him.

 RW>> I doubt that any eye witnesses would be around 70 years later.

 MvdV> That is what I implied.

 MvdV>>> It is an utter failure, it has zero credibility.

 RW>> I'll agree with the latter...as for a failure, look around you and
 RW>> count the heads of those who believe in it.

 MvdV> It is a dwindling crowd. im the fifties there were twice as many
 MvdV> churches in this village as there are now. Of the remaining half,
 MvdV> many are used for other purposes than worshipping. It isa bit like
 MvdV> FidoNet. All old hats with very little new blood. The believers are
 MvdV> a dying race.

That doesn't seem to be the case here in Texas. In California, Sunday was
a day of extra curricular activity and not much church going. In Texas
that is just the opposite. i.e. car shows that were held on Sunday in
California are held on Saturday in Texas. Anything big that happens in
Texas on Sunday happens in the afternoon, so everyone can get to church.

That really upsets my apple-cart.

 RW>>>> Donald Duck doesn't exist, except on the movie screen and
 RW>>>> souvenir-store shelves.

 MvdV>>> The same can be said about JC.

 RW>> Nope. His image, and those of his mother, can be seen in every idol
 RW>> that the christian churches have in them. Or at least how they wish
 RW>> that he looked in their opinion.

 MvdV> The image of Donald Duck can be seen in the waiting room of every
 MvdV> dentist.

Uggggg...

                R\%/itt

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