Text 20686, 228 rader
Skriven 2011-07-12 23:30:25 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 20673 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Vicious comments
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Hello Bob,

 JD>> and lately harping on one person only.

 MV>> Action is reaction. Bob is concentrating his aim at Björn.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

That is not necessarily true.  And rarely is.  Especially in the
realm of politics and interpersonal relationships.  In fact, for
certain actions, a nuclear response sometimes takes place.  And
in other cases, where no action is taken, a nuclear pre-emptive
strike sometimes takes place.

RB>Except for one thing. I don't call names, and didn't start this
RB>business. I also don't adhere to the doctrine of "the enemy of my
RB>enemy is my friend".

Who needs enemies with friends like that?  We all choose our own
friends.  Sometimes wisely.  Sometimes not.  And sometimes we let
our friends choose us.  Or not.

RB>I'd appreciate it if you'd stop your present love affair with Bjorn
RB>and get back to some worthwhile subject. There are plenty around - I
RB>mentioned one, but the non-ASCII characters are apparently more
RB>important to you than the future of the Euro or the EU.

Oh, I agree whole-heartedly.  Those who enjoy a flame echo should
post their flames in a designated flame echo.  And that is exactly
what this echo has become - in due accordance with echopol1.  So
in a way, you are correct.  But you are also mistaken.  Why?  Because
Ross Cassell has been blackmailing sysops in Zone 1 to do his bidding,
and attempting to blackmail Björn Felten to do his bidding.  I say
"attempting to blackmail Björn Felten" because the two of them seem
to have had a bit of a falling out in the course of recent events.

Notice Ross Cassell's latest threat, to cut Björn Felten's access
to not only the fidonews echo, but to all of fidonet.  However, it
is an empty threat, as I will explain to Björn Felten via email.  ;)

 MV>> When was the last time you saw me write a personal insult?

RB>You? Never. But nobody can consider you as an isolated case as
RB>long as you throw in your lot with Bjorn. Ever heard of guilt by
RB>association? It's not that rare.

A conspiracy is when two or more individuals act in unison in an
effort to get something done.  Ross Cassell would not be able to do
what he does without the full knowledge and consent of Janis Kracht.
Therefore, it is by definition a conspiracy exists.

Bob Klahn, the official recognized moderator of the Debate echo,
politely asked Ross Cassell to leave the Debate echo.  Ross Cassell
refused to honor that request, and undid any feedcuts that may have
existed between others and Bob Klahn's echo.  Janis Kracht will not
remove Ross Cassell's node, even though P4 demands it.  And who do
you think will remove Janis Kracht's node?  P4 demands it.  So
please tell.  I am waiting with bated breath...

 JD>> I must agree with Bob, as a moderator Bjorn  (sorry I cannot JD>remember
 RB> the key combo for that special character),

 MV>> Alt 148.

 JD>> should be standing on higher ground.

 MV>> If he does not write with the moderator hat on?

RB>Who cares?

Participants in this forum.  That's who.

RB>Mod is mod and either he acts like one, or he's not accepted,
RB>respected or - more important - supported in a clinch. You may
RB>make such fine distinctions, but you'll find few others who do.

Let me put things in a different perspective, which you might
have an easier time understanding -

A chess tournament is held.
A tournament director is in charge of "moderating" the event.
Three players show up for the tournament.
A fourth player is needed so that the tournament can be held,
as it is designed for quads (four players per section).
The tournament director decides to play as the fourth player.
The tournament director settles disputes between players.
He is to be fair and impartial in his decisions.
So far, so good.

Now here is where it gets interesting -

If a dispute arises between a player and himself, then
he must give the benefit of the doubt to his opponent.

That is only relevant when the tournament director is
a player himself.  Otherwise, both players get equal treatment.

 MV>> Also: Ross claimed to be the Z1 moderator here. Does the same MV>then not
 RB> apply to him?

RB>Of course. However, there is a slight difference, as Bjorn does out
RB>of his way to start fights, whereas Ross reacts to provocations.

Ross Cassell provokes in order to get a rise.  That is what makes
him tick.  Making provocations is his means of jerking off.  When he
wants to get cutesy, he will "bait" somebody to provoke him, and then
claim to be "innocent" of having made any kind of provocation himself.
Other times, he will simply provoke, for no apparent reason.

Ross Cassell is not, and never has been, the moderator of this echo.
He merely owns an echotag of a private elisting by Thom LaCosta.  That
echotag/elisting has no official status in fidonet.  None whatsoever. But he
has used that echotag in order to harrass and intimidate me and several other
participants, along with sysops in Zone 1 and beyond.

Shannon Talley "banned" several people from this echo, including me,
for no frakking reason.  I had not posted a single message in this
echo before then, and neither had some of the others Shannon Talley
had singled out.  Then Shannon Talley handed over the echotag to
Ross Cassell, who continued the "ban" against those same individuals.
When I started posting from a system in Australia, Ross Cassell went
ballistic.  When Wayne Chirnside started posting from that same system,
Ross Cassell had a grand mal seizure.  The sysop of that Australian
BBS was harrassed by Ross Cassell to the point that he simply dropped
ALL ECHOES POLLUTED BY ROSS CASSELL so as to have absolutely nothing
to do with the SOB.

I take it the so-called "gentleman's agreement" between Ross Cassell
and Björn Felten is no longer in effect.  In fact, it never was, as I
have never recognized that agreement (or any other such agreement) as
having any validity whatsoever.  I encourage all sysops in fidonet to
ignore such "gentleman's agreements" as those agreements have no time
or place anywhere in fidonet.

RB>You should easily understand the distinction.

Are you familiar with the word "integrity" and what that word means?
Ross Cassell has none.  As such, I cannot expect him to understand.
But you might.  If only you try.

 JD>> He simply cannot comment as an ordinary user, who, using that type JD>of
 RB> vitriol, would be moderated.

 MV>> Funny. We ( European) are constantly being harped upon for being
 MV>> pacificts. For not shooting back when shot at. And now that we - MV>after
 RB> fifteen years of swollowing insults, we are finally returning MV>some
fire,
 RB> we are harped for *that*.

RB>You want to have a pat on the back?

Depends on how much you like insults and insult humor.  Don Rickles
is quite good at it, and deserves a good pat on the back for every
performance.  But Don Rickles is the undisputed "King of Insult".
I doubt any of the participants here can even come close to matching
his witt.  Except maybe Witt.

RB>And "15 years of insults"?

In a designated flame echo, that is what one would expect.

RB>Frankly, that sound paranoid and is hardly believeable.

You don't know paranoid like I do.  Had to go get somebody in a mental
institution in Japan a few years ago.  He was paranoid.  Paranoid
schizophrenic.  The Japanese are a very superstitious lot and thought
he was possessed and were very scared of him...

RB>Sounds like the kind of stuff we heard from the Serbs during the
RB>1990s - always the victims, never the aggresssors. Not many people
RB>bought that either. A little amnesia for stuff far in the past isn't
RB>the worst thing that could happen to a person.

To Serbs, it was Muslims who were the aggressors.  It was Muslims who
were trying to take their land, burn their churches.  OTOH, Muslims in
Kosovo have built a giant statue of Bill Clinton.  To them, he is their
hero.

 MV>> Or does the "shoot back when being shot at" not apply when the MV>shooter
 RB> wears a stars and stripes hat?

RB>Nice. Thanks for the Bjorn-typical dig. I only regret the increasing
RB>similarity. This really isn't your style.

What is reality?  Is your reality the same as mine?  Is your
reality the same as anybody else's?  I doubt it.  Each of us has
our own reality.  And it is that reality that we must deal with.
Every day.  Even if we do not like it.

 JD>> Who is going to moderate the moderator?

 MV>> The users who vote with their feet. (That, at least has always been
 MV>> the Z1 POV).

RB>Why restrict it to Z1,

Because that is where it belongs.  Let Ross Cassell and Janis Kracht
have their own little kingdom in a land far, far away.  And then invite
the other zones to band together in commonality.  Apart and separate
from zone 1, of course.

RB>when you have no idea what happened in Z2, specifically R24? Michiel,
RB>you're blind on one eye. Wake up. Do you really want an echo with
RB>only two people in the end: you and Bjorn?

"Janis [Kracht] has never set me up on my petard..., she and I are
friends and chat all the time, but she is the only Zone Coordinator
with any authority to do so." - Ross Cassell

Not only should Ross Cassell and Janis Kracht have their own little
echo, but they should also have their own little zone.

RB>Nothing else worth commenting.

Sure there is.  But only if you want to be honest with yourself.
Otherwise, it is more of a waste of time, with little or nothing
ever getting done to change things for the better.

RB>I really regret the way things are developing, and wonder that
RB>you can't seem to hold back a little more. I'm trying to, but that
RB>doesn't seem to make any difference.

Why should it?  It never did for Ross Cassell or Janis Kracht.

--Lee

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