Text 23081, 102 rader
Skriven 2011-11-25 18:01:12 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
  Kommentar till text 23076 av Nicholas Boel (2424.fidonews)
Ärende: See what I mean...read the bottom line
==============================================
25 Nov 11 16:12, Nicholas Boel wrote to Roy Witt:

 >> They do and for a very good reason; the essential trades are supported
 >> by the Department of Labor and offer incentives to companies who offer
 >> an apprenticeship to their employees. That incentive is government
 >> funds to help defray the costs of education and wages. My education
 >> was in a company provided classroom while later classes were sent to a
 >> Junior College for that. It wasn't around when I was an apprentice.

 NB> While the building trades aren't essential, this is probably one good
 NB> reason non-union tradesman don't have to serve an apprenticeship.
 NB> Just strap on a tool belt and start screwing it all up! :)

I've seen one or two essential tradesmen who have walked into a job shop
and just picked up a work traveler and begin to do the job. When the boss
notices them, they have product in front of them that shows they can do
the work. Now all they have to negotiate is the wages.

 >> I know that Micro Switch stopped training T&D Makers and Mold Makers
 >> and are using outside (not offshore) sources for their tooling. One or
 >> two that I know of for sure had gotten their training at Micro and
 >> eventually set up shop for themselves. They're now training (don't
 >> know about federal funding) people in their shops to do the work they
 >> used to do for Micro as an employee. Besides myself, I know a friend
 >> of mine who was in my class that has a shop of his own in Missouri,
 >> retiring about the same time I did, but had moved his shop from the
 >> area around Micro, doing their work for them. Another close friend
 >> spent a lot of time working for Chrysler at their plant in Belvidere,
 >> IL.. We speak often as he and I spent 2 solid years, 2 hours per day
 >> together in a high school vocational machine shop before going to work
 >> for Micro, although he was in the T&D class ahead of mine.

 NB> So they've stopped the apprenticeship? Are more and more T&D/Mold
 NB> making companies following suit?

I'm not so sure anymore. Micro had in-house designed switch products to
sell, it was just a question of economics whether or not to continue
training people to do it, or just offer for bid the tooling work to a
dedicated T&D company.

 >> There are T&D shops all over the midwest from Minnesota to Michigan
 >> and Ohio as far south as Memphis and Atlanta. All offering training.

 NB> Training in the sense of a real apprenticeship by today's standards?

Today's trade standards I would say. T&D makers are still needed,
especially those that can do their own machining. I've seen so-called T&D
makers that have never machined anything in their lifetime. To me, they're
just assemblers of a machinists output.

 NB> Or are they sending them to school and paying for it?

They've all been to school to learn the math and algabraic formulas to
work on tooling. How they get that today is up to the company doing the
training.

 >> 8^) I remembered that it's framed and mounted on the wall behind me
 >> and read that info off of it. I do however, remember H. Willard Wirtz
 >> as the Secretary of Labor back in the day.

 NB> That's a hell of a good place to put it. I might just do the same!

They used to hang on the wall in my office at my shop. They were needed to
prove to HR that I was what I said I was when applying for a job in the
past. I took them frame and all.

 >> LOL! You don't have to be a union member to do that, but it helps. I
 >> have a 45yo friend here who works in a non-union shop (custom wire
 >> cable manufacturer) where nothing gets done because the employees are
 >> busy shootin' the bull, smokin' tobacco and weed and drinking coffee
 >> all day long. They'd be working or out the door if I was their boss.

 NB> It's surprising they're still around, to be honest.

I'm surprised too.

 >> That's the scenario above, people come in on weekends and do the same
 >> thing they did all week. That and they have one person stick around
 >> and everyone else goes home, while the person who stays punches their
 >> time cards when he goes home.

 NB> So basically, that company will probably go under eventually.

They have a niche in the market that few companies can do. But, you may be
right if they don't do something about those people.

 NB> Either that or it's owned by a billionaire that just doesn't care
 NB> whether it makes money or not.

It was once owned by a billionaire who would rather take his antique cars
on tour and let someone else run the company. He sold out to another
company who has installed upper management that can't seem to get it right
and by allowing their employees to do this, never will get it right.


                R\%/itt


  ... Only 5% of all humans have the privilege to live in America.

--- Twit(t) Filter v2.1 (C) 2000-10
 * Origin: SATX Alamo Area Net * South * Texas, USA * (1:387/22)