Text 7637, 102 rader
Skriven 2010-05-07 18:08:23 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 7626 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
Ärende: Muslims and tolerance (was: Belgium)
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07 May 10 17:36, Robert Bashe wrote to Roy Witt:

 RB> Roy Witt wrote to Robert Bashe on Thursday May 06 2010 at 19:15:

 RB>>> Look at the percentage of muslims in the States and the fear of
 RB>>> offending them because they have a reputation for violence.

 RW>> The Arabs I knew in San Diego were Iraqi and Lebonese xtians.

 RB> The subject was muslims.

I know you're having a hard time keeping up when you insist that the
subject be stable...I don't mind a comment out of context when it relates
to the same subject with a different twist. I can keep up just fine.

 RW>> At the time of 9/11, muslims lived in the same community where we
 RW>> lived, but no one even knew they were there, until after 9/11. Even
 RW>> then, after finding out that one of them housed several members of
 RW>> the hi-jack teams, they were left to their own devices. Investigated
 RW>> by law enforcement, but nothing more.

 RB> And the reports I read about muslims being attacked on the street,
 RB> and the appeals by politicians including G.W. Bush not to condemn
 RB> muslims as a group for 9/11 were media fabrications?

Of course not. But those who were doing the attacking must have listened
because it didn't continue.

 RB> Not likely. You were just lucky enough to have lived in a peaceful
 RB> area.

If it were going to happen, then it would be in my neighborhood, since the
culprits who hi-jacked the 3 air craft used on 911 were living in my
neighborhood.

 RB>>> That is also the case in Europe, but here in Europe we're closer to
 RB>>> the source and have higher percentages of muslims in the societies.
 RB>>> The non-muslim "man in the street" doesn't particularly care for
 RB>>> that situation, to put things mildly.

 RW>> Too bad. He should address his greviences to his government, who
 RW>> allowed their migration.

 RB> For that you'd need a time machine. The basic problem started in the
 RB> late 1960s and early 1970s.

I thought you guys had leaarned your lesson and what came before won't
happen again. I guess you haven't learned that lesson yet.

 RB> Like the Germans frequently quip: We asked for workers and got
 RB> families.

You expected them to go home after seeing how green the grass was on your
side of the fence? How niave...

 RB> That worked out pretty well for most groups: nowadays you can hardly
 RB> tell an integrated Spaniard, Frenchman, Italian or Greek (to name
 RB> several of the major "guest worker" nationalities) from a native
 RB> German except perhaps by the darker complexion.

Europeans, so they're not discriminated against.

 RB> But in many cases, Turks who arrived as guest workers a couple of
 RB> years after the Greeks still can't speak German properly or even at
 RB> all. That particularly applies to the women, who - often
 RB> intentionally - are isolated by their menfolk and have little or no
 RB> opportunity to learn the local language, making them totally
 RB> dependent on the men of the family. There is even a tendency among
 RB> young male Turks and ethnic Turks in Germany to look for a bride in
 RB> Turkey, since Turkish girls are considered less independent and
 RB> easier to dominate than German girls, in addition to being muslim,
 RB> which is also still a major consideration in marriages. It's a little
 RB> like what would happen if Catholics only married other Catholics and
 RB> were ostracized from the family (and even murdered in extreme cases)
 RB> if they dared to marry (or even go out with) a protestant.

 RB>>> Another point is that Islam isn't merely a religion: it also
 RB>>> involves politics and law (remember the Sharia?), and as such is
 RB>>> not as distanced from worldly affairs as modern Christianity or
 RB>>> Judaism.

 RW>> I don't like the fact that I'm a minority among the population of
 RW>> Texas, Whites vs Mexicans, but we'll go about fixing the problem
 RW>> peacefully.

 RB> You aren't a minority, at least not yet -

Wrong. Texas is 51% hispanic...

 RB> Texas isn't southern
 RB> Florida - but as for the "peaceful" part... well, there are a lot of
 RB> guns in Texas, as you've mentioned and I can confirm from my own
 RB> experience.

Experience from 40 years ago isn't the norm today, Bob.


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