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Skriven 2010-07-27 18:04:54 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Kommentar till text 9431 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Extortion?
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25 Jul 10 10:24, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:
RW>>>> Except for the fact that they still claim that he's the prime
RW>>>> suspect in that case.
MvdV>>> That is the theory. The practical reality is that there is no
MvdV>>> case.
RW>> Not what the Arubans say. They say that he is their primary suspect
RW>> in the 'disappearance of Natalie Holloway case'...
MvdV> That is the official POV.
Which means that there is a case. A case of a missing person with a
suspect.
MvdV> In practise the case is shelved as a cold case, only to be
MvdV> unshelved when new evidence emerges.
It's not shelved, as the Flores murder has brought it back to the front
burner.
RW>> [Holloway]
RW>> "She was last seen in van der Sloot's company. The Dutch national
RW>> was questioned several times by Aruban authorities but never
RW>> charged. He remains the prime suspect in the case."
MvdV> As you say: "never charged".
The Arubans say that he was 'arrested' 3 times in the missing person case
of Holloway. Never charged is something you use to side-step the facts.
MvdV> And why was e never charged? I will
MvdV> tell you: because there is no case. There is no body, there is no
MvdV> evidence. Nothing to charge him with. And so he was released. That
MvdV> is how things are done in a civilised country. When you can not
MvdV> cherge the suspect, he is released.
RW>>>> Now that he's killed again, they're rethinking their case again.
MvdV>>> There is no evidence that he killed "again". Better stay away
MvdV>>> from Aruban or Dutch jurisdiction. JvdS's lawyer may file a
MvdV>>> slander charge against you.
RW>> LOL! His former Peruvian lawyer, M ximo Altez, claimed that he's a
RW>> nut case.
MvdV> He is entitled o his opinion. Opinions are not proof of murder.
He probably wasn't convinced about that himself, just making waves to test
the court's tanacity.
RW>> "He is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee
RW>> Holloway from his native Aruba in 2005."
MvdV> Officialy he is still a suspect. For all practical purposes, there
MvdV> is no case.
The case of the missing person, Holloway. Since they're inept and lazy,
they'd probably stumble over the body and claim that it wasn't a body.
RW>> "With reports surfacing that van der Sloot is now under
RW>> investigation for possible human trafficking in Thailand, he
RW>> continues to be one of the most searched for topics on the Internet
RW>> and at Gambling911.com, according to the G911 Facebook Page."
MvdV> So? Since when is facebook the judge, jury and executioner?
Facebook has nothing to do with it. The website that he was known to
frequent while gambling online made that claim. They (G911) also used
their Facebook account to let others know their opinion, just in case
the others weren't gambling on their website.
RW>>>> Of course. Her body was so mutulated that they figured only a
RW>>>> nutcase would beat someone beyond what it would take to kill
RW>>>> them.
MvdV>>> If they believe him to be a nutcase, they can not try him for
MvdV>>> murder.
RW>> "However, the (Peruvian) psychological examination carried out
RW>> revealed that Van der Sloot does not have any mental disorder which
RW>> prevents him from being aware of reality."
MvdV> You can't have it both ways.
Those aren't my words, those are the words of the judge who heard the
appeal. This took place after a court appointed psychiatrist examined
offered into evidence a report he made about Joran to the court.
MvdV> He is either a nut case that can not be held responsible for his
MvdV> actions, or he is not and then he can be tried for murder.
See above. He can and will be tried, according to the Peruvian judge.
"Even more damning to a mental illness defense strategy was the finding
van der Sloot does not have any mental disorder which prevents him from
being aware of reality."
RW>> Thus, he'll be tried on his confession.
MvdV> No, he will be tried on evidence.
The evidence being his confession, 1st offered into evidence and among
equals with the evidence of the autopsy of the dead girl and the
circumstantial evidence they've gathered against him.
RW>> He used her disappearance in an attempt to get out of the Flores
RW>> murder. Hoping he could get an extradition from Peru to Aruba, where
RW>> he could escape the bad conditions in the Peruvian prison.
MvdV> Unsubstantiated..
The above has been reported by Peruvian newspapers. Think of it as an
analysis of the case as being witnessed in hearings with Joran.
MvdV>>> How many times do I have to explain it to you? The US takes the
MvdV>>> position that they have jurisdiction because the alleged victim
MvdV>>> is a US citizen.
RW>> And far more sway than, say the Dutch government. See, these
RW>> Peruvians get billions of dollars in aid from US Taxpayers and
RW>> therefore have an incentive to cooperate.
MvdV> You think they can be bought and will play lapdog for a lousy
MvdV> handfull of Dollars?
There is no Dutch offering pending, except to say that they will not
provide him a defense. He's on his own, they've refused to get any further
involved other than to make sure he's being treated fairly.
MvdV> Well, maybe theu can be bought.
If anyone would want to buy them, it would more than likely be a Dutchman.
MvdV> As wasalready noted, it is a banana replubic.
The only reason the Netherlands isn't called a banana republic is because
you can't grow bananas there.
MvdV> But you are in error when you think US aid will swing the balance.
The U.S. maintains an embassy in Lima, Peru. There is a U.S. Consular
Agency in Cuzco, and the USAID building is located in Lima. This is more
than can be said of the Netherlands, who merely maintains a Consular
AGency, but not vice versa the Peruvians.
MvdV> Do some research on hoe much aid they get from others. In
MvdV> comparison the US is a cheapskate.
I couldn't find any information on any aid that the Netherlands has
provided Peru, probably because they never did. No one else would have a
reason to get involved.
MvdV>>> In that position they are alone however. No other country
MvdV>>> supports that position. So the US will get no international
MvdV>>> cooperation for it.
RW>> So you say...but that isn't the real world.
MvdV> Welcome to the 21st century. The days that the US says "jump" and
MvdV> the rest of the world asks "how high" are over.
When the O'bama is out of office, those days will return. The people won't
allow stupid to do as stupid does for very long.
MvdV>>> Specifically: extradition requests will be denied.
RW>> I doubt there will be one, although if there were, it'd be a whole
RW>> lot better to be in a US prison than a Peruvian prison.
MvdV> But that is not the alternative.
There is, a slight one, but that is an alternative.
MvdV> The Peruvians will not let him go to be treid in the US *instaed*
MvdV> of in Peru.
As the case is now, that is IMO better than being tried in the US. The
prison conditions in Peru will guarantee that Joran will be punished far
worse than if he were in a US prison. We maintain a hotel environment in
our prisons, while the Peruvians maintain an invironment that would put
some of your ancestoral Kings and dictators to shame.
MvdV> If he does any time in a US prison, it will be *in addition* to
MvdV> his time in Peru.
He probably won't last 90 days in a Peruvian prison.
RW>> What I'm waiting to hear is that someone offed the Dutchman. When
RW>> he's convicted of the Flores murder, he'll be commited to an even
RW>> worse prison in Peru than Castro Castro. There, he'll be in an open
RW>> space with about 300 other prisoners. For $100, any one of them can
RW>> pay for 4 months of food, smokes, etc.. I think there will be at
RW>> least 300 volunteers.
MvdV> That his leaving peruvian jail will be feet first is a distinct
MvdV> possibility. Greater than him coming out alive I'd say.
Take a look at this video...the Peruvian prison system is abysmal.
MvdV> Whatever, he will not be extradited to the US.
If he makes it to the end of his sentence, he will be. You and I may never
see that day. I'd be 105 and I don't want to live that long.
R\%/itt
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