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Skriven 2010-08-02 17:09:27 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 9686 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Extortion?
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31 Jul 10 23:29, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV> Hello Roy,

 MvdV> On Friday July 30 2010 17:10, you wrote to me:

 RW>>>> It's not shelved, as the Flores murder has brought it back to
 RW>>>> the front burner.

 MvdV>>> Onlu for the fifteen milliseconds it took to see that it brings
 MvdV>>> no new evidence in the Holloway disappearence.

 RW>> Speculation and discussion keeps it alive with the public and
 RW>> certain police agenies.

 MvdV> Only until the next major airlines crash, flood, mining accident or
 MvdV> political scandal. It is history already.

I'm aprised of the situation on a daily basis from such places as Aruba
and now Peru.

 RW>>>> The Arubans say that he was 'arrested' 3 times in the missing
 RW>>>> person case of Holloway.

 MvdV>>> He was detained for questioning several times. As were others.

 RW>> I suppose the words 'arrested and detained' are semantic, as one can
 RW>> be held here for 72 hours without being charged.

 MvdV> You once again make the error of assuming everything in the world
 MvdV> works the same as in the US...

Then they WERE arrested in Aruba...at least that's what the Aruban media
has stated, over and over again.

 RW>> After one is released doesn't make them any less suspicious
 RW>> characters in the case by any means.

 MvdV> In most parts of the world it does.

Most parts of the world don't think like a stubborn Dutchman.

 RW>>>> Never charged is something you use to side-step the facts.

 MvdV>>> The fact is that no one was cherged because no case could be
 MvdV>>> made that would stand up in court.

 RW>> No body.

 MvdV> Right. No evidence plus no body --> no case.

Witnesses state otherwise, which is certainly evidence that would
continue to keep vdS as a prime suspect.

 MvdV> a situation that is unlikely to change as five years have passed.

Accept that the latest development has brought it back into the limelight,
even in Aruba.

 MvdV> As I wrote before, it is very unlikely the body will turn up. If it
 MvdV> is anywhere on the island, it would have been found by now. If it
 MvdV> is in the sea... forget it.

A guy named Peterson in California placed his murdered pregnant wife in
the sea. She and the fetus seperately but eventually, washed up on shore.

But, after 5 years with nothing like that, I assume that the murderer or
his helper(s) did a good job of anchoring her to the bottom.

 MvdV> Even if it is recovered, it is unlikely that it will be in gooed
 MvdV> enough condition for forensic analysis to provide new clues.

 MvdV>>> Shelved as a cold case.

 RW>> Reopened again, June, 2010.

 MvdV> And closed again after 15 milliseconds.

The Arubans are still on the case...

 MvdV>>> *MY* tax money I might add. More than enough of it was spend on
 MvdV>>> a runawy American spitfire for my taste.

 RW>> She was not a runaway.

 MvdV> The hell she was. Kicked out of hotels lobbies for being drunk at
 MvdV> 11 am. She sure was no angel.

LOL! Typically, you're repeating hearsay.

 MvdV>>> If they try him on his confession, it can not be for murder,
 MvdV>>> only for manslaughter. he confessed to having killed het in a
 MvdV>>> fit of rage.

 RW>> That is not a definition of manslaughter, that is a definition of
 RW>> 2nd degree murder. Manslaughter would be a death by accident. It was
 RW>> by no accident that he beat her with a bat.

 MvdV> You once again assume thet everything works as they do it in the
 MvdV> US. The concept of first and second degree murder is typically
 MvdV> USAian. Countries operating under derivates of the French system
 MvdV> only know murder and manslaughter.

According to the Dutch definition; Voluntary and Involuntary Manslaughter
is not homicide, but an accidental death caused by negligence. With the
degree to which Joran beat the Peruvian girl, there can be no manslaughter
charge, but most definately a murder charge. If he plea bargained (which I
see no reason to do in this case), the most he can get for either is life
and the least he would get is 15 years
.

 MvdV>>> But they wanted to charge him for murder, so they *rejected*
 MvdV>>> the confession. They suspect he did not kill het in a fit of
 MvdV>>> rage, but that it was premeditated.

 RW>> Being as they are the authorities in Peru, they can do as they
 RW>> please. Joran has no rights as a Peruvian citizen, even if being a
 RW>> citizen could help him.

 MvdV> Again USaian thinking. In most countries the distinction between a
 MvdV> citizen or a foreigner does come into the equation when accused of
 MvdV> a criminal offence.

Of course it does. Being a foreigner who has murdered a native, has
already entered the equation. You can tell that by the way they speak of
him in their news articles about him.

 RW>>>> is because you can't grow bananas there.

 MvdV>>> Wrong. Bananas can be gron here.

 RW>> LOL! The only way you can get a banana to grow in the Netherlands is
 RW>> if one were to fall off a cargo ship and you took it inside.

 MvdV> You have no idea what you are talking about.

Bananas have a hard time growing in southern California. I doubt they'd do
any better in Holland. The difference is at least 20 degrees of latitude,
California being the warmer (banana growing) climate for it.

 MvdV>>>>> Welcome to the 21st century. The days that the US says "jump"
 MvdV>>>>> and the rest of the world asks "how high" are over.

 RW>>>> When the O'bama is out of office, those days will return. The
 RW>>>> people won't allow stupid to do as stupid does for very long.

 MvdV>>> Obama not his successor have a say in it.

 RW>> Obama won't have a successor for two years, but he'll be a 'lame
 RW>> duck' in a litle over 120 days. 1st of January, 2011.

 MvdV> Maybe. It won't affect my prediction.

You've already lost that one.

 MvdV>>> The days of the US imperium have come to an end.

 RW>> LOL! You've been reading too much Al Jazeera bullshit.

 MvdV> That is what you think.

That is how your writing reads to me. I'm sure I'm not alone in that one.

 MvdV>>> They have overstretched their capabilities with the unwinnable
 MvdV>>> wars in Iraq and Afghanisten and the price they will pay is
 MvdV>>> that they no longer will be the ones that can call the shots in
 MvdV>>> this world.

 RW>> Don't bet your life on it.

 MvdV> I never bet.

You lie! You already made a bet, right here in this echo.

 MvdV>>>>> Whatever, he will not be extradited to the US.

 RW>>>> If he makes it to the end of his sentence, he will be.

 MvdV>>> No, he won't.

 RW>> Read it again...he will be extradited to the US.

 MvdV> Read again: he won't.

Will.

 MvdV> IF he survives Peruvian prison, it will be 2045. The GPS clock will
 MvdV> have carried over once more. Natalee Holloway will have been
 MvdV> missing for 40 years. You and I will probably be dead and our
 MvdV> children will be pansionados.

My kids will be 'pensioners' long before that. The youngest just turned
44 in July.

 MvdV> And so will all the people involved in what you call a case.
 MvdV> Natalee Holloway will have been forgotten and nobody will be
 MvdV> interested in it any more.

With the computer technology we have today, it wouldn't be any problem
for the justice department to set an alarm for the anniversary of his
sentencing date on a yearly (or less) basis.

 RW>>>> You and I may never see that day. I'd be 105 and I don't want to
 RW>>>> live that long.

 MvdV> See above.

See above.

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