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Skriven 2013-09-12 10:55:25 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 10225 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Re: Putin Blinks
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 11.09.2013 20:34

 LL>>>> President Barack Obama wins... Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad
 LL>>>> wins... Russian President Vladimir Putin wins... The French
 LL>>>> win...
 WD>>> The Syrian people lose and their misery continues while the
 WD>>> aforementioned individuals congratulate themselves.

 AK>> The civil war in Syria is the product of the US and Europe.
 LL> The current civil war, as the previous dictator of Syria had his
 LL> own civil war to contend with. Is it just "the product of the US
 LL> and Europe" as you suggest? No.

   That war had its own reason (the rebels then didn't shout that they
fight for democracy), but the current war in Syria is connected with
NATO's intervention in Libya directly. If NATO had not been intervened
in Libya there would not have been the civil war in Syria.

 LL> different factions, including factions within the US and Europe.
 LL> For example, there are terror groups (including elements of
 LL> al-Qaeda) that are active within Syria. Who is sponsoring those
 LL> terror groups? Is Iran sending help to Hezbollah? Is the Syrian
 LL> regime doing the same? And what about Hamas? I highly doubt that
 LL> either the US or Europe is helping Hezbollah or Hamas.

   Al-Qaeda, Hesbollah entered Syria after the civil war had started.
The latter entered just recently, and, BTW, fight against Al-Qaeda
(sunni) fighters. But I repeat that Libyan invasion was the trigger of
the civil war in Syria.

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 LL> smaller minority is Shiite (Alawite). Alawites are akin to being
 LL> heretics of the Shiite faction of Islam. Heretics of heritics.
 LL> Bashar al-Assad is a (Shi'a) Muslim of the Alawite sect. A heretic
 LL> in the eyes of most Muslims, including most Muslims within Syria.

   It doesn't mean that the majority of Syrian population is against
Assad. Syria has got great achievements under his rule. Assad says truth
-- he cannot fight with the rebels by himself, alone -- he has a great
support around Syria.

 AK>> It is easy -- you spill blood and NATO forces will do all the
 AK>> dirty work for you.

 LL> And it was Libyans themselves who overthrew Moammar Qadhaffi, not
 LL> the US or NATO.

   What a lie. ;-|

 AK>> The half-stunned bad president will be passed to the opposition
 AK>> rebels on the plate with a blue rim.
 LL> Nah. Russian President Vladimir Putin will invite him to a party in
 LL> Moscow. Or perhaps in Sochi to enjoy watching Syrian athletes try
 LL> to win a gold medal in... in... in... something.

   I don't think that Assad fears of being killed. In general all people
are mortal and die sooner or later.

 AK>> The US and Europe did not realize only one important thing -- such
 AK>> a way to capture power is a very seductive thing.
 LL> One does not capture power. One grabs it, and holds on to it, for
 LL> as long as possible. Preferably forever. Or at least until losing
 LL> one's head. That is why Bashar al-Assad will never leave. He is
 LL> hooked on power. But there can be no permanemt solution to the
 LL> Syrian crisis until he leaves office. Which is to say gone (or
 LL> forcibly removed) from power.

   There was democratic elections in Syria and the opposition didn't
recognize their results. Then was the Libyan trigger and the civil war
began. The US and Europe are in Syrian blood, I repeat it.

 LL> It is known that the Syrian regime used sarin nerve gas on its own
 LL> people on August 21. U. N. inspectors have gathered evidence that
 LL> hundreds, perhaps well over a thousand, Syrian civilians have been
 LL> killed by sarin nerve gas. The use of chemical weapons alone is
 LL> reason enough to call for the removal from power of Bashar
 LL> al-Assad. If the man cannot control his own stockpile of chemical
 LL> weapons, what other weapons (or form of warfare) can he be trusted
 LL> with? For this reason, and others, the US President has publicly
 LL> stated Bashar al-Assad must go. The Russians know what the Syrian
 LL> regime has done, and agree (in private) with US President Barack
 LL> Obama that Bashar al-Assad must go.

   There must be elections -- that is the only legitimate way to remove
Assad from power. If Syrian people want it - Assad will lose its power.
Elections may be(probably must be) under international control. Obama
has no right to say that President of the independent country must leave
his post.

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 AK>> The only way out of this situation is to admit that the Syrian
 AK>> rebels do not represent the state majority.

 LL> President Bashar al-Assad represents less than 10% of the people of
 LL> Syria. The amount of territory within Syria he presently controls
 LL> is getting smaller and smaller with each passing day. At some
 LL> point, his very presence will become not even noticed, as the
 LL> territory he will control at that point will be only one or two
 LL> blocks within the confines of the city of Damascus.

   It is your number. You think that if a person was not born an
allawite he must want to kill Assad. It is not true. That's why Assad
has so many fighters on his side.

 AK>> The subject for negotiation on this table is one -- to stop
 AK>> fighting and hold fair elections.
 LL> Who is going to conduct the elections? Who is going to count the
 LL> votes? Who is going to watch who counts the votes? Who is going to
 LL> watch the watchers?

   People must learn to solve problems through elections. The more
weapons they have the less probable that they can solve the problem in
military way, especially, when both sides are strong. So both sides must
agree for elections under the UN supervision. If one side is refused,
the UN can act more actively and authorize intervention.

This way out could happen much earlier if the rebels didn't refuse
consider Assad as a side worthy to negotiate with. But the rebels has
been waiting for NATO's jet-planes. That's why a peace process in Syria
cannot gain in strength.

 AK>> Did Assad use chemical weapon when attacking enemy positions?
 LL> President Barack Obama says he did. UN inspectors claim to have
 LL> gathered evidence that Syrian civilians were killed by sarin nerve
 LL> gas on August 21. It is a known fact by all parties that the use of
 LL> sarin nerve gas could only have been done by the Syrian regime.

   Assad knew that using chemicals can be equal to NATO's plus the US'
invasion. Explain, why he, fighting successfully against the rebels,
could want to give such a pretext for invasion? No, he could not use
chemical weapon. He is _the only side in Syria_ which doesn't interested
in chemical weapon using. He cannot have great gains by using it, but
can have great problems with the US and NATO. Assad doesn't need NATO
and the US invasion.

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 AK>> Most probably they will use it in future.

 LL> And if they do, blame it on the Syrian regime. That is why it is
 LL> absolutely necessary to demand hard evidence to back up that claim.
 LL> Otherwise, it would be too easy to start a war, a real war with big
 LL> guns (and missiles) that could level entire cities...

   I think that chemical weapon was used by Al-Qaeda. First, they wanted
to frame Assad and remove him by HATO's hands, second they wanted to
show Israel that they do have chemical weapon and they will use it
against Jews in future. It was a demonstration of power.

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 LL> We do not negotiate with terrorists. And we will not be blackmailed
 LL> by the United Nations. Especially since the UN has no military of
 LL> its own...

   Actually, by fighting Assad, the US helps terrorists, instead.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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