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Text 10239, 191 rader
Skriven 2013-09-13 12:43:15 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 10231 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Re: Putin Blinks
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 12.09.2013 19:53

 AK>>>> The civil war in Syria is the product of the US and Europe.
<skipped>
 AK>>> but the current war in Syria is connected with NATO's
 AK>>> intervention in Libya directly.

 LL> Libya and Syria are two very different cases, and should not be
 LL> linked together as one. For example, the uprising in Egypt may have
 LL> inspired people in other countries to attempt doing the same, but
 LL> that does not necessarily mean that the "Arab Spring" was
 LL> successful everywhere.

   I didn't speak about success. I told of reasons. Well, it is like
when people demonstrations in Tunisia inspired the same things in other
Arab countries. But NATO's invasion in Libya inspired a civil war in
Syria. The masterminders of this war among Syrian opposition hoped that
the scenario would repeat itself and they would easily get power from
foreign hands.

 AK>> If NATO had not been intervened in Libya there would not have been
 AK>> the civil war in Syria.

 LL> Opposition fighters would love other countries to bomb the Syrian
 LL> regime to smithereens - whether it is NATO, the US, the French, the
 LL> Chinese, or whoever else that has the planes, ships, missiles, and
 LL> bombs to do so.

   Yes, they are not fastidious about bombs origin.

<skipped>
 AK>> It doesn't mean that the majority of Syrian population is against
 AK>> Assad.
 LL> Most people in Syria do not care about Assad one way or the other.
 LL> They simply want to live their own lives in peace, without their
 LL> lives being disrupted by violence or war.

   Yes, any cause of this war has no justification. The opposition could
claim that the last elections were unfair. We've been seen such things
constantly around the world. But certainly those violations were not
worthy of such an awful war. I think even the rebels understand it now.

<skipped>
 AK>> There was democratic elections in Syria and the opposition didn't
 AK>> recognize their results.
 LL> Why should anybody want to recognize elections that have been
 LL> rigged? Unless you are a "yes man" to a dictator, that is.

   It is better to recognize them than starting a civil war. Syria was
not a military dictatorship and everything could change during next
elections.

 AK>> Then was the Libyan trigger and the civil war began.
 LL> The action in Libya may have inspired opposition fighters in Syria.
 LL> But that is not the same thing as being a "green light" being shown
 LL> by the US and Europe for opposition fighters to begin a civil war
 LL> in Syria.

   I think that people in the US and Europe have been looking at the
events in Syria as at a football game. They sympathize with the rebels
and hate their opponents. But those people are too infantile to
understand that a civil war is not a game.

<skipped>

 AK>> There must be elections -- that is the only legitimate way to
 AK>> remove Assad from power.
 LL> Saddam Hussein held elections in Iraq. Saddam Hussein won every
 LL> election by a landslide. His opponensts were often jailed. And
 LL> sometimes shot. Or hanged. Which is why so very few Iraqis even
 LL> bothered to run for office, much less for presdident.
 AK>> If Syrian people want it - Assad will lose its power.
 LL> How many elections did Adolf Hitler lose? How many elections did
 LL> Benito Mussolini lose? How many elections did Josef Stalin lose?
 LL> How many elections did George W. Bush lose?

   But time comes and finally opposition wins if the current power is so
ugly. We see it everywhere in the world. We have seen it even in the
USSR which, at some point, became even a more free state than the
present day Russia is.

<skipped>
 LL> Imagine what would happen if some madman assassinates Bashar
 LL> al-Assad. Who do you think will be blamed? What do you think would
 LL> happen next? Such an action, in theory, could ignite the beginnings
 LL> of WWIII.

   Well, after every war people think that it was the last one. ;-/ But
there are too many infantile politicians who treat war as a game or a movie.

 AK>> Obama has no right to say that President of the independent
 AK>> country must leave his post.
 LL> As a private individual he has no such right. However, the US
 LL> President, speaking on behalf of the USA, as part of the
 LL> international community, does indeed have a voice in that matter.
 LL> Why? Because the use of chemical weapons has been banned by the
 LL> international community, and it is known that sarin nerve gas has
 LL> been used in Syria.

   He spoke it from the every beginning. The rebels repeated it and
refused to have any negotiations with Assad. Actually, by these words,
Obama has inspired the rebels to overthrow the lawful government by
military force. But in reality, the events in Damask, that triggered the
civil war, had a little difference with the recent events in Istanbul
where mass riots took place and many people were killed by the riot police.

<skipped>
 AK>> It is your number. You think that if a person was not born an
 AK>> allawite he must want to kill Assad. It is not true. That's why
 AK>> Assad has so many fighters on his side.

 LL> The Syrian regime has killed over 100,000 Syrians (opposition
 LL> fighters and civilians) through the use of conventional weapons
 LL> alone. The killings will continue for as long as the Syrian regime
 LL> remains in power. The longer Assad remains in power, the less
 LL> popular he becomes. The opposition fighters may not be popular
 LL> either, as they are just as guilty of killing people as the Syrian
 LL> regime. But keeping Assad in power is not going to make the Syrian
 LL> people happy.

   Syria is divided. One part of population hates the other. You can
stop the violence if you cut throats of the people from one of the
sides. Just choose the side. ;=) But do you really want to cut so many
throats yourself?

<skipped>
 LL> a people makes. Would Russians allow Americans to supervise Russian
 LL> elections? Would Americans allow Russians to supervise American
 LL> elections? Of course not! The same goes for the UN, which would be
 LL> seen in the same light.

   But at some point both sides will understand that they must stop
endless violence. And senseless, because of it's endless. At this point
the sides will accept mediators from abroad.

<skipped>
 LL> Assad must go, since the use of sarin nerve gas has been linked to
 LL> him. However, all major parties must be included in order for
 LL> negotiations to be fruitful.

   If a major party wants him to stay it cannot be ignored. Suppose, the
Palestinians hate Israel and the Jews. But should they demand the
Israeli immigration as the condition for peace talks beginning?

<skipped>
 AK>> I think that chemical weapon was used by Al-Qaeda.

 LL> I would not doubt that. However, it is known that sarin nerve gas
 LL> has been used. And the use of sarin nerve gas could only have been
 LL> done by the Syrian regime. Not by al-Qaeda or by any other terror
 LL> group.

   Making zarin is not as complicated as making A-bomb. We saw it in
Japan, when a religious sect used it in a subway station. The rebels
(also) could steal it from the government stockpiles. In Russia, for
instance, a lot of weapon is being stolen every year from military
depots. It is inevitable, because the guards are usual people, who can
be corrupted.

<skipped>
 AK>> First, they wanted to frame Assad and remove him by HATO's hands,
 AK>> second they wanted to show Israel that they do have chemical
 AK>> weapon and they will use it against Jews in future. It was a
 AK>> demonstration of power.
 LL> A "demonstration of power" to who? To the Jews? Do you realize what
 LL> Israel would do to Hezbollah if missiles loaded with chemical
 LL> weapons find their way to Tel Aviv?

   Why Hezbollah? Hezbollah doesn't belong to Al-Qaeda and even fights
with it in Syria, on the side of the government forces. So it will
Sunnite groups who is going to use it.

 LL> permission from US President Barack Obama to conduct a military
 LL> strike. Israel will act first, putting an end to the threat before
 LL> Hezbollah has the chance to load another missile, much less fire
 LL> it. Israel might even decide to nuke Damascus. Just to show the
 LL> Iranians they mean business.

   As you can easily see, that first, Damark will not be a guilty side,
second, Israel will only help Sunnite Al-Qaeda in removing Assad from
power. Indeed, they don't need him alive and all the Alawits as well.
Al-Qaeda has no state. Whom Israel wants to bomb with nukes? Saudi
Arabia, Quatar, Yemen, Jordan? To pelt with nukes all Asia? ;=)) It will
not be healthy for Israel to live in such environment.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2013
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