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Skriven 2014-03-12 18:59:28 av Joe Delahaye (39332.fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 12735 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: War
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  Re: War
  By: Björn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Wed Mar 12 2014 18:50:24

 BF>  Oh Joe, how history-less you are. Already in the 6th century B.C. when
 BF>  the the Greek "colonized" the Crimean peninsula it was an autonomous
 BF>  state. And even if it's been invaded/occupied from time to time since
 BF>  then, it still is.

That would make many regions in Europe autonomous then.  Read History and you
will see that light too.


 BF>  In later times (after the Soviet Union was formed) it first was part of
 BF>  RSFSR. After WWII it became part of Ukraine (but still autonomous) and
 BF>  it remained there after Ukraine became it's own autonomous republic in
 BF>  1991.

THe USSR made it part of the Ukriane, correct.  They left it there, but as far
as I know, only as a province of the Ukraine.  The 'govt' there, has also been
Newly Installed.  What does that tell you.


 BF>  All this is what you "learn" from western media, Joe. It's all
 BF> half-truths, surely you can understand this? And no, I don't say that
 BF> "the other" side is telling all the truth either. The real truth
 BF> probably is somewhere in between.

If you say so.  I agree that news is sensationalized, and sometimes even
manipulated without bending it too much

 BF>  History will, as ever, be your best guide to the proper truth...

History tells me what was, not what is.

 JD>> Were you armed?

 BF>  No. You didn't mention that requisite.

I did.  I mentione even one armed military crossing the border uninvited, is an
invasion.

 BF>  The Russian troops I've seen on Crimea wasn't either -- only some
 BF>  unidentified troops. OK, maybe they were Russian troops in disguise --
 BF>  or maybe not. You don't know it and I don't know it, so let's not
 BF>  continue to present "facts" that are not facts but possibly even
 BF>  propaganda, OK?

The 'Russian' troops, or Russian troops in disguise minus Russian marking on
their uniforms, certainly were armed, and fired their weapons as well at least
once.


 BF>  You see how it works? "A friend of my sister's boyfriend has an aunt who
 BF> heard that..."


No, that could be said if it was simply words.  This was video of the event.

 BF>>> in a Kiev hotel? Snipers that we now know was sent by the Kiev
 BF>>> oligarchs.

 BF>  No, in this case we *know* that they were sent there by the oligarchs.
 BF> It wasn't much talk about it in the western media (surprise?), but even
 BF> they couldn't avoid mentioning it. Maybe it didn't reach the US version
 BF> of CNN?

And this news came from where???
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