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Skriven 2014-05-23 12:27:52 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Kommentar till text 15494 av Kf5qeo (11.mlfidonews)
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Greetings John, (post with your real name, not Kf5qeo)
>> Greetings Ross!
>> RC> It might be a stretch for Roger to have linked the current
>> RC> discussion to fido politix, but it was just as much a stretch for
>> RC> you to stereotype and insult the south.
>>
>> Roger won't expound on Fidonet politics because it is a sore subject
>> with him. Having the likes of John Souvestre, Matt Bedynek, an out of
>> region RC and a few others to deal with in R19, he knows the ins and
>> outs of Fidonet politics much better than those Yankees and one
>> redneck in Virginia do.
Kq> Wow, don't you love how when you miss a bunch of messages because
Kq> the BBS software throws things in the wrong place, or looses
Kq> messages, etc.
I wouldn't know, as the software I'm using knows where everything goes.
Kq> then you come back and it's like you step outside your
Kq> front door and realize some how your house was teleported to smack
Kq> dab on the Mason Dixon Line of the Cival War, and apparently someone
Kq> painted Gay Biggot across the outside of your house on the side
Kq> facing the north!
That's an illusion because of the AIR!
Kq> I don't like to follow up on politics in Fidonet.
Then why bother. (rhetorical)
Kq> It tends to raise the blood pressure too much. But, if dragged into
Kq> it, there is a bit of inconsistencies that can be found all over the
Kq> net! It's not just Region 19, it's every region. I don't say
Kq> anything about it, because I don't like stepping on toes.
Well, you're in the wrong place to worry about that.
Kq> For what it's worth, I have no issues with Marc, he's a good guy,
Kq> seems to do his job, and perhaps go beyond doing his job some times.
I do too, but there was a tradition that stopped with his election as
RC...And as a R18 resident of Mississippi, he should be willing to step
aside.
Kq> If you have issues with your mailer, he's willing to help you out,
Kq> get you going, etc. kinda like most Net Coordinators should.
I have no problems with Marc, he's more than once bailed me out by helping
to build net387 back to at least being again, after it was killed by Matt
Bedynek.
Kq> When I re-joined fidonet several years back, I talked with one NC, I
Kq> can't remember if it was Robert Starr, or whoever it was... They had
Kq> no problem putting me in the net, but said I had to talk to the RC at
Kq> the time. I forget who that was. I don't think it was Marc, though.
Matt.
Kq> Any way, he mentioned that they liked to keep folks in their
Kq> geographical region... O.k. Cool, not a problem. Marc was in New
Kq> Orleans, I believe at the time, not but an hour and a half away from
Kq> me.
Still, you and Marc live in R18, thus the net number should reflect that
and the RC18 asked to include it in his region.
Kq> About the time I moved to Mississippi, Marc Moved to Meridian. That
Kq> was actually about 2 hours north of where I was at the time or so...
Kq> I had him change my city then, and later, I moved to Bogue Chitto,
Kq> MS. Marc, some where in the way moved to Alabama. I never really
Kq> thought about it till later, when looking at the map on the website,
Kq> Region 19 didn't cover Mississippi, or Alabama. Doesn't really
Kq> bother me any way, as I realy don't know too many folks outside of
Kq> Region 19, but thought it was interesting that we're both out of
Kq> region 19's area and yet still in region 19.
This is the fault of the ZC, who wants to keep Marc on as RC19, even
though he lives deeper into R18 than you do.
Kq> Again, don't matter to me, because I just want to be able to receive
Kq> mail, and reply to it.
It matters to a lot of R19 sysops, because we don't have a RC to represent
what R19 as a whole wants.
Kq> You know, like the golden rule of Fidonet... Don't be overly
Kq> annoying, or too easily annoyed...
Well, we have a precedent to follow in that. You see, it only applies to
your system being a PIA and anything said in netmail. That doesn't apply
to echomail, since there is no echomail policy to back it up.
Kq> Granted, there is that other issue (unless folks changed it), about
Kq> wearing too many hats...
LOL! I hear that! i.e. a ZC shouldn't be involved in distributing
echomail, but there's an exception to the rule, for the zone admin.
Kq> But hey, if Marc wants to keep up with a regional list and a net
Kq> list, etc. I have no problem with that... I used to do some of that,
Kq> and as long as you don't have too many changes, it's all fine and
Kq> dandy, but if you don't watch out, you could get a lot of headaches.
I do that on a regular basis. I'm merely a NC, but I do have to maintain a
nodelist segment that is compatible with Marc's...
Kq> Especially being RC and NC... I mean, do like Robert Starr did,
Ummm, no thanks.
Kq> and have a boo-boo that drops his whole net out of the nodelist,
Kq> then something gets messed up on the same lines with the RC, next
Kq> thing you know, Zone 1 gets a lot smaller!
If Starr had a RC who knew how to handle that problem, the net wouldn't
have gone away. OTH, Marc maintained my listing when a problem was found
in one of my netsegs and he used an old one kept as a backup.
Kq> I find from NC's and up, and Ex-NC's and up, in fidonet there tends
Kq> to be a lot of ego-control type attitudes...
Mine hasn't changed me much. I'm a bit more tolerant than most NCs though.
Kq> If you need to be a control freak and think your some kind of
Kq> emporer, then hey, I'll vote you in to whatever position you
Kq> want to be in! You'd probably make a good ZC or IC if you have issues
Kq> with being in control... Otherwise, unless someone is just really
Kq> doing a super horrible job, much like any of the United States
Kq> Senators, then I pretty much just vote to keep them where they're
Kq> at... Especially as I get older... The older I get, the more I
Kq> realize that I'd much rather someone else doing the grunt work, and
Kq> letting me enjoy doing what I like the most.... READING MAIL!
Well, I'm not that loose with my politics. If you're not doing the job I
would prefer you do, then you're outta here. I wish it were that easy to
dump the dumbass in the WH today.
Kq> I remeber voting in one NC election for sure... I voted for Marc,
Kq> because I re ally didn't know anyone else in the election. Yeah, I
Kq> know... Using that rate, we might end up with Ghangas Kahn as IC, ZC,
Kq> ZEC, REC, RC, NEC, and NC... Wouldn't be long before he'd decide we
Kq> didn't need Zones 2-5, and do away with the IC position as well,
Well, we do have that now. We have people stompin' their feet to drop Z4
out of the nodelist, because they don't seem to understand Spanish when
they speak perfectly good Porteguese. Not to mention that they're English
is as broken as Fidel Castros.
No more Z5 or Z6, no more IC because he turned into a nut job and was
deposed by the gang of ZCs, aka the ZCC. That last C stands for Council.
Kq> since there was no other Zones to Coordinate... Who knows, he might
Kq> just decide to really cause havock by re-structuring the Node Number
Kq> format... Let's see....
I'm all for that.
Kq> Planet:Continent::State/County::City:Street/Address:bbsnumber
Nahhhh. Zone,Region,and Net is good enough. The shorter the better.
Kq> Eg. Earth is the '3rd rock from the sun', and let's assume North
Kq> America is Continent #2... I'm not about to go counting states and
Kq> counties or cities, etc. so we'll use fictionous numbers for them...
Kq> My node number might look
Kq> like:
Kq> 3:2::14/12::3:50/1581:1 and 3:2::14/12::3:50/1581:2 for my second
Kq> BBS.
Too damned complicated.
Kq> Now, wouldn't you want to just write a message to John
Kq> Guillory@3:2::14/12::3:50/1581:1, then send another copy to my 2nd
Kq> BBS? ;-)
I wouldn't bother.
Kq> So like after all the sysops of fidonet trash off all their BBS
Kq> software (or write a kludge to re-map the zones), then we vote him
Kq> back out of office, because they're sick and tired of changing
Kq> software... They re-vert to original software and back to original
Kq> node number schemes... ;-)
Kq> The only thing about electing Ghangus Kahn... It wouldn't be
Kq> fight-o-net much longer... I don't think too many folks would argue
Kq> with a guy like that... He's a lot like Madea... His diplomatic
Kq> policy is... "There aint one!" It's his way or ... The information
Kq> highway!
That sounds like our former IC...he made his own policy and when that
didn't work, he re-wrote it again.
Kq> Ugh, see what happens when folks start talking politics.... You get
Kq> me wound up on electing Evil guys into fidonet.... Now everyone Shake
Kq> hands and be happy, or we'll mark every node in fidonet DWN... All 5
Kq> zones! Send you into a time-out for a week and see if you can learn
Kq> to get along then.... Yes, that's right... In my experience in fast
Kq> food, I've learned how to talk to kiddies... ;-)
Apparently not. I understood everything you have said and I'm on the long
end of being a kiddie...
Have a day!
R\%/itt - K5RXT
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