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Skriven 2014-07-27 08:25:43 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 17065 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Citizenship
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On 27/07/2014 3:51 AM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>>>> I am not a citizen of Australia, I do not have voting rights
 DD>>>> here. I do have the right to pay taxes here however.

 LL>>> What is a citizen?

 DD>> A person with some sort of documentary evidence that they belong in a
 DD>> particular nation, and that nation accepts them as one of its own
 DD>> (will issue them a passport).

 LL> IOW, by your definition, citizens have certain rights that non-citizens
 LL> do not.

Yes.

 LL>  But only those rights that a particular government decides to
 LL> confer upon that individual(s).  By that logic, what the lord giveth,
 LL> the lord can taketh away.  As such, no individuals have any rights.
 LL> And citizens is just an empty word with no real meaning.

Just as the word "rights" - there are no rights, just privileges granted by the
regime of the day.

 LL>>> If not a citizen of Australia, then a citizen of what?

 DD>> I am a permanent resident in Australia, I hold New Zealand
 DD>> citizenship (so it says on my passport).

 LL> Oh, come now!  Something given has no value!  Haven't I tought you
 LL> dimwits anything?  Sheesh!  I guess they ought to revoke my teaching
 LL> credential ...

My passport is required for me to travel internationally, countries I visit
what to no where to deport e to if I misbehave.

 LL> Do you vote?  Even if you choose not to vote, you have the right to
 LL> vote.

I have no voting rights in AUsralia, only citizens do. I do not vote in NZ,
after 34 years away from there I care not about their politics.

 LL> At least in NZ, which has chosen to grant you citizenship (how
 LL> very nice of them).

They grant citizenship to every born there of NZ parents (and probably others).

 LL>  When you vote, you are using force.  And force
 LL> is violence.  Violence is, of course, the Supreme Authority from
 LL> which all good things (other authority devices) come from.

If/when I vote I force the pencil to make a mark on the paper, other than that
I am expressing an opinion about who I would like to re[present me in
parliament. Of course once they are in there they care not about what I think.

 LL> Now it may be that you are a holy man, like Jesus, and have chosen
 LL> the path of non-violence.  In which case you gave up the right to vote
 LL> long ago ...

34 years ago - about as long as JC was on earth.
[...]
 DD>> One cannot be a citizen of the world (yet, there is no one world
 LL> government or nation)

 LL> There is the New World Order.  Does that count?

There is a World Disorder!
[...]
 DD>> Is there such a thing as a stateless citizen?

 LL> Ask the Palestinians who have no home.

They do - it's just being eroded by the Israelis.


 LL>>> Cajuns were exiled from their home and never allowed to return.
 LL>>> To this very day, the King/Queen of England has never apologized,
 LL>>> even though the Cajun people had done no wrong or committed any
 LL>>> crime or act of treason.

 DD>> Why were they exiled? <Mr Google says: Canada> Were you personally
 DD>> exiled or were you born in Louisiana?

 LL> Cajuns were exiled because they spoke French rather than the King's
 LL> English.  And for that, Cajuns have never been forgiven ...

Obviously the King got over that - there are French speaking people in the
Arcadians today.

 LL> Technically, we remain under indictment and are not allowed to return.

Has anyone tested that?

 LL> But Canadians (especially French-speaking Canadians) gladly welcome
 LL> Cajun tourists ...

Canadians aren't bad people in the long run.
[..]
 DD>> It gives people something to fight about and gives some a feeling of
 DD>> superiority when they real feel inferior.

 LL> Even St. Paul fought hard to keep his Roman citizenship.
 LL> And the Roman courts ruled in his favor, which is why he was
 LL> beheaded.  St. Peter tried to go that route, but lost his case
 LL> and the Romans crucified him.  Not like Jesus, but upside down.
 LL> That really had to hurt.

Was he beheaded before or after they hung him up?



 LL>>>>> I have lived permanently in this country my entire life.
 LL>>>>> I am not American.

 DD>>>> Do you have voting rights in USA? Wouldn't that make you a
 DD>> USAmerican by
 DD>>>> nationality?

 LL>>> I am Cajun.  Cajuns were here first, before Americans arrived to
 LL> claim
 LL>>> this land as their own.

 DD>> The Americans were there before you, but they called themselves
 DD>> other names (Apache etc.) The people you refer to were renegade Brits and
other
 DD>> Europeans.

 LL> The indigenous people in the area were kind enough to allow us to live
 LL> in the Swamp.  The Swamp (The Atchafalaya Basin) is the largest swamp in
 LL> North America.  Not even renegade Brits and other Europeans wanted to
 LL> travel in those parts, much less live there.

 DD>>>> The fact that you live in the Americas makes you an American.

 LL>>> I am Cajun.  Not American or Cajun American.  I may be a citizen
 LL>>> of the United States due to the nature of my birth and the
 LL> generosity
 LL>>> of my benefactors, but that does not mean I am American.

 DD>> Americans live in the America's - you are an American by way of
 LL> regional
 DD>> placement, a Cajun by ethnicity.

 LL> It was not until the 1980s that the US government officially recognized
 LL> Cajuns as an ethnic group.  When I fill out the form for the census I
 LL> enter "Cajun" in the race category rather than White or Black etc.

Pure wank - you are no more of one race than I am.

-- 
Regards
David

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