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Skriven 2014-10-26 20:52:47 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 19004 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Life Under the Democr
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Hello Ward,

 LL>> Europeans stole lands that belonged to Native Americans,
 LL>> and called that land their own.  Those same Europeans did
 LL>> so legally, along with their descendants, smoking a peace
 LL>> pipe with Native American leaders while holding a gun to
 LL>> their heads, telling them they had come to make them a
 LL>> deal they could not refuse.

 WD> People have moved around all the time, invaded, occupied, overthrew,
 WD> suppressed ... read about Alexander the Great and what he did to create
his
 WD> empire, read about what the Romans did afterward, the Persians ...

Might makes right?  Adolf Hitler and The Third Reich had the
right to invade other lands, claiming those lands as his own?
To the victor go the spoils?  Should the US have annexed the
western portion of Europe as its own in the aftermath of WWII?
Should the former USSR have done the same in regards to the
eastern portion of Europe?  Should the US have annexed Japan
as an additional US state?  Should the US have done the same
in regards to the Philippines and other Pacific islands?

 WD> .. even the North American Indians did it. The Blackfeet for example
 WD> virtually annihilated the Eastern Shoshone in Montana, killed all the men,
 WD> took all the women. Other tribes have done simlar things.

Native Americans considered land as being sacred.  Nobody owned the
land.  Not in the same sense we know it today.  The land was part of
the people of that tribe/nation.  Not belonging to any one person or
individual.  Tribes sometimes fought with other tribes over different
matters.  But that was done as a last resort, in order to settle
some dispute that existed.

In the white man's world, war is diplomacy by other means.
It is the trading/exchange of human lives for real estate.
This a far different definition than other cultures.

 WD> One also needs to be realistic about this whole "First Nation" thing and
 WD> "Mother Earth" stuff.

Who owns the Earth?  We all do!  Not any single person, corporation,
or entity.  Who gets to decide who gets what, or what portion goes to
whom?  The white man decided, for himself, who gets what, etc.  Nobody
consulted the red man, or the black man, or the yellow man ...

 WD> I've spent considerable time in Native north american villages and towns
and
 WD> its difficult to determine where the dump ends and where the town starts.

Either in the middle of the street or on the riverbank.
Depending on what you are looking for.

 WD> Brand new sections of housing are built that never get a single lick of
 WD> paint and are bulldozed 20 years later after total neglect.

Government housing (section 8).  Nice diggs are built.  Six
months later completely trashed by those who have moved in ...

 WD> Let's not glorify the Native North Americans either ...

They either love you or they hate you.  And sometimes
at the same time.

 LL>> Fact: Native Americans did not have the right to vote until
 LL>> Bill Clinton became president.

 WD> That is complete nonsense.

A bit of clarification -

Native Americans living on reservations (their own land)
had no right to vote until Bill Clinton became President
of the US.

--Lee

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