Text 22970, 171 rader
Skriven 2015-04-07 20:43:19 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
  Kommentar till text 22945 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Fidonet Membership
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 On Tue, 07 Apr 2015, Lee Lofaso wrote to mark lewis:

 LL>>> Illegal activity should _never_ be tolerated by Fidonet sysops 
 LL>>> or Fidonet administrators, _especially_ when that illegal 
 LL>>> activity is being conducted by one of their own.

 ml>> illegal activity can only be determined by a court of law... 
 ml>> fidonet is not such an entity... please keep up...

 LL>> Illegal activity has already been defined and determined 
 LL>> (written, enforced, and interpreted) by the various branches of 
 LL>> government. And it will continue to be done so in the future.

 ml> sure...

 LL> You seem to have a problem with that.  Why?

i have no problem with the courts determining when some entity has broken the
law... i don't know what gave you the idea that i did... my statements have
been very specific...

 ml> but certain folk's actions have not been deemed illegal by a court 
 ml> of law...

 LL> Not everybody in the world is guilty of having committed such 
 LL> acts, much less having been tried and convicted.  Your point (if 
 LL> you have one)?

ross has not been convicted of a crime based on his statements made here in
fidonet...

 LL>> You seem to have a problem condemning the actions of a certain 
 LL>> sysop who is known by you and by many others to have engaged in 
 LL>> such activity.

 ml> i don't have a problem condeming anyone...

 LL> "The philosophers Camus and Sartre raise the question whether or 
 LL> not a man can condemn himself." - Stokely Carmichael

you are also guilty...

 ml> look at how easily i condem you...

 LL> I am not a Fidonet sysop.

so what? i still condem you for some of your actions in fidonet...

 LL> But thank you for the compliment. Or was that intended as an 
 LL> insult?  Sometimes its kinda hard to tell ...

evidently i'm doing a good job then ;) 

 LL>> I do not have a problem condemning the actions of a terrorist.  I 
 LL>> condemn all such acts, regardless of who commits them.

 ml> do you consider yourself to be in the class of "terrorist"??

 LL> Among the world's finest, of course.  Wny do you ask?

just checking... it helps to clarify why you do and say what you do and when
you do it...

 ml> depending on how one defines "terrorist" you certainly fit the 
 ml> bill as do others...

 LL> Why, thank you.  I am glad somebody finally noticed.

when you were getting the troll signs from me, they weren't enough of a hint?

 ml> it is too bad that the word is so overused these days, though...

 LL> Yeah.  Everybody wants to be a terrorist these days. Just look at 
 LL> all those reality shows on tv.

no thanks... they're not worth the $$$ spent on them... jerry springer should
be proud but i understand that he is quite taken aback at what his creation
spawned...

 ml> the overuse lessens the meaning and impact...

 LL> It's the Japanese reality shows you gotta watch.

no thanks...

 LL> Those people are crazy.  Ever try to shave with a knife?

yes... when i was on the road, my knife served many purposes...

 LL> A knife with a very sharp edge?  This is not Rambo.  These are 
 LL> suicidal maniacs on steroids.

that's they problem if they don't know how to handle a sharp instrument...

 LL>> Now why can't Fidonet sysops condemn one of their own who is 
 LL>> known for having committed acts of terrorism?

 ml> wait now... since when has terrorism entered the scene?

 LL> Ever since sysops started messaging on fidonet.

bullshit...

 ml> are you another one of those chicken little wannabes?

 LL> I would welcome the day, not rue the day.

of course... you are nothing more than a terrorist... you admit such above...

 ml> the solution to the problem is quite simple

 LL> Yes, it is.

absolutely... it is up to you or the operators of those systems you abuse...

 ml> but you appear, even as smart as you are, to be ignorant of it...

 LL> Not at all.

riiight...

 ml> either that or just plain stupid...

 LL> Using a sledgehammer to swat a fly is one solution. Another 
 LL> solution is to let somebody else do it for me. Either way works.  
 LL> :)

and the final solution is for you to straighten up and fly right... follow the
rules like everyone else...

 LL>> Terrorism is illegal activity.  Few would deny this.  Whether 
 LL>> terrorism is conducted with bombs or with words makes no 
 LL>> difference.  Terrorism is terrorism.

 ml> and asshole is define as asshole... so what?

 LL> I am an equal opportunity asshole.  And you are not. That is the 
 LL> difference between you and me.  Asshole.

you are no where near an asshole... there are better assholes in the world
without you trying to take their place or rise above them... i will take it as
a compliment that you see me as an asshole, though... i don't try to be one and
certainly don't care to be seen as one but thanks anyway...

 ml> there's no terrorism going on...

 LL> There is always terrorism going on.

whatever...

 ml> if there were then almost the entire network is involved because 
 ml> no one has said anything about stopping it and some have actually 
 ml> joined in...

 LL> Just like Nazis on parade.  Whether it is tacit approval or active 
 LL> participation, it is still Nazis on parade.

so you admit that you lose... thanks for that...

 ml> perhaps you need to take a step back and look at your own 
 ml> terroristic activities before painting others with that brush...

 LL> We all seek to demonize the other side.  Of course, we do not call 
 LL> it that.  After all, the ones doing the demonizing are "the good 
 LL> guys" ...

riiight...

)\/(ark

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