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Skriven 2015-04-25 18:30:24 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 24053 av Bill McGarrity (16077.2fidonews)
Ärende: FidoNews 32:16 [01/07]: Food For Thought
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On 25/04/2015 2:02 PM, Bill McGarrity -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> If your beliefs are so strong then you accept that you are supposed to
 DD>> share them with others. It does mention that in your book...

 DD>> If I don't believe them I am obviously missing out on something. Help
 DD>> me believe, fulfill your obligation.

 BM> I  shared,

You feel that you've shared some conclusive evidence? I have misse dit if you
did.

 BM> but I also respect the beliefs of others so not to pressure  them into
 BM> something they feel strongly against.  Sooner or later on THEIR time
 BM> they may see the Light. I can only state my beliefs and not bear false
witness.

They will never see the light if someone cannot enlighten them.

 BM>> What happened to your views on free speech?

 DD>> Oh? All this belief stuff is just words?

 DD>> Doesn't freedom of speech suggest that I'm free to say that I cannot
 DD>> grasp your belief?

 BM> Of course, I've been saying that all along.  It is you who seem to be
 BM> pressuring those who do believe into accepting your views.

No, I am trying to get you to substantiate how it is that you believe. There
has to be a reason.

 BM> Faith is found within.  Each person must look inside and find it.

But what does it look like? Haw can I have faith in something I cannot
perceive?

 DD>> Indeed, that is why I want to know how it can be that you believe.

 BM> Just as you don't believe... ying and yang...

Except that non-belief is the natural sate that all of us were born with. At
some stage in our lives some of us were convinced it believe, and some of us
were not. I am seeking that convincing evidence.

 BM>> I don't have an answer for that  nor am I trying to question your
beliefs.

 DD>> A closed mind? You should question everything!

 BM> Not closed in the least.  Very much open because of the questions each
 BM> individual musat ask themselves.

And where do they go for answers when they fnd nothing inside themselves?

 BM>> That sir, is called *respect*.

 DD>> Not in my dictionary. Respect is holding someone in high regard. That
 DD>> must be earned, it is not just given like love.

 BM> So you don't respect me because of my beliefs? How little of you.

I don't respect you because you have done nothing to make me regard you highly,
I regard you the same as everyone else.


 BM> I respect your opinion as a non-believer. Does that make me any less of a
man

I do not think your respect, or not has anything to do with your status as an
adult male human.


 BM> or one who indeed has an open mind to accept things.

How can one accept thing if no-one can present anything to accept. All you (and
others) can say is "I believe and that is the end of the story", none of you
can elucidate on what made you believe.

 BM> Maybe you should look in the mirror/dictionary for the definition of a
closed mind.

One who cannot accept new ideas/evidence. Try presenting ANY evidence and we'll
see if I can accept it.



 DD>> Demanding to be respected because you cannot/refuse to explain how you
 DD>> arrive at an abstract conclusion isn't going to happen.

 BM> I didn't demand respect... I asked it be given freely just as I respect
your
 BM> views.

I cannot respect you if you do not do anything to make me hold you in high
regard - you are just another person.

 BM> Again, you have your views, I have mine.  Leave it at that... if you can.

You should have put this sentence at the start of the post.

If you can come up with some evidence to support your unsubstantiated belief I
would like to hear it.

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Regards
David

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