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28 Aug 15 05:46, you wrote to me:

 ml>>>> especially on this topic...

 LL>>> I am spot on.

 ml>> you are flat out wrong and ignorant...

 LL> When was P4 ever submitted to the entire body of individual
 LL> sysops for ratification?  Oh, don't answer that.  We already
 LL> know the answer.

yes, you do if you look at the historical fidonews letters and the historical
nodelists for that period... oh wait, i forgot who i was talking with... sorry
for insulting your intelligence with facts...

 ml>> beside being a fool...

 LL> "We are all fools, most of the time."
 LL> - Victor Hugo, Les Miserables

fictional bullshit...

 ml>>>> i cast a vote in the P4 process as a plain sysop...

 LL>>> So?  How does that change or negate the statement I made?

 ml>> you said that individual sysops were left out of the loop...

 LL> They most certainly were.

*SOME* may have been but that's a problem between them and their NC and RC,
period!

 ml>> i'm proof that they were not...

 LL> I never said what exceptions were made as to who was invited
 LL> to join their little coup.

there were no invitations... there was public notice and then it was up to the
sysops, their NCs and their RCs...

 LL> For all I know, the Queen of England might also have been invited.

for all you know? yup! exactly... you know nothing about the event or the
process... all you are doing it casting a bullshit conspiracy theory...

 LL> The fact remains that only a very selective group of individuals were
 LL> invited to participate in the coup.  The vast majority being left out.
 LL> On purpose.

the fact IS that you don't know the first thing about the event... you didn't
participate...

 ml>> /some/ might have been

 LL> What the hell do you mean by "some"?
 LL> It was the vast majority who were left out!

that's between them and their NCs and RCs... no one else... certainly not
you... most definitely not **26 years** after the fact!

 LL> What the hell do you mean by "might have been"?
 LL> A grand total of 227 votes were cast.
 LL> Or recorded as having been cast.
 LL> Certainly you do not wish to contest those numbers?

why should i? why do you? what are you looking for? how many RCs were there at
that time? how many NCs were there at that time? can you name them? can you
provide anything at all that is absolute proof that the process was not
properly followed as documented?

 ml>> but that is the fault of their NC or RC or, in many cases, their own
 ml>> damned fault for not following along...

 LL> Excuse me?  If the C's had wanted to invite everybody
 LL> to their party, they would have done so.  But they didn't.
 LL> As such, I cannot believe it was an accident, but rather
 LL> done on purpose or by design.

as said before, that is between those sysops and their NCs and RCs... if those
sysops weren't keeping up and they didn't know about the event when they should
have, that's their own damned fault... if they did know about the event and
they didn't cast their vote with their NC and/or their NC didn't cast their
vote with the RC then they should have raised hell then... i know for a fact
that numerous NCs were bounced out on their asses at that time for failing to
cast a vote or for failing to cast a vote that depicted the majority of their
constitutient's votes... IIRC, there was also at least one or two RCs that were
also under the gun and out pretty quickly as their regions turned on them...

 ml>> very much like you are known not to do but you twist and spin things
 ml>> and make up stories and lies whereas others, when they are shown the
 ml>> errors of their ways make adjustments to better stay informaed...

 LL> Oh, come now.  You can't really believe that.  I am a
 LL> disseminator of public information.

bullshit...

 LL> Just like the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

yup... a huge piece of shit...

 LL> A true man of the cloth.

doesn't change the fact that he and you are both pieces of shit...

 LL> And we all know he would never lie to us.

bullshit... he's already been caught in numerous lies...

 LL> He might be expedient with the truth, but he would never lie.  And
 LL> neither will I.

you, too, have also been caught in numerous lies and the tally keeps rising...

 LL>>> Now, when was P4 submitted to the collective body of LL>individual
 LL>>> sysops
 ml>> for a vote?  Oh, that never happened, LL>as the C's had already
 ml>> usurped 100% of all the fidopower LL>for themselves.

 ml>> bullshit...

 LL> Volume 6, number 24, page 1 dated 12 June 1989 states that
 LL> P4.06 was passed by a vote of 152=YES, 75=NO.

yup... that's the official tally as posted in the nodelist and the snooze...

 LL> So, this small group of 227 people, or rather the 152 who
 LL> voted "YES", became the movers and shakers of fidonet - to
 LL> the exclusion of everybody else.  They passed this document,
 LL> amongst themselves, and declared it to be the law of the
 LL> land.  It was a done deal.  Signed, sealed, and delivered.

it was passed in accordance with the rules of the event...

 ml>> go fucking read the snooze letters and the nodelists of that
 ml>> period...

 LL> Dale Shipp did us all a kindness by citing a relevant portion
 LL> of one of those issues ...

i haven't looked to see the timestamps but both dale and i posted the exact
same thing... get with the program...

 ml>> one or both carried the entire document presentation and gave the
 ml>> details in which the document would be approved or not... the fact
 ml>> remains that it was accepted...

 LL> Accepted only by 152 sysops out of how many total in zone 1?
 LL> Don't answer that.  It would be much too embarrassing and you
 LL> may not want to show yourself again in these parts ...

where do you get the idea that the selection process was limited to Z1 only??

)\/(ark

... Don't hit me, Mr. Moderator... I'll go back on topic... I swear!
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