Text 27923, 118 rader
Skriven 2015-09-06 01:00:00 av Bill McGarrity (20116.2fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 27914 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: Re: Z1C
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-=> David Drummond wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

 DD> On 6/09/2015 9:22 AM, Bill McGarrity -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Yes - laws that are set to provide me with safety, security and
 DD>> services.

 BM> Yet if you don't like any one of the three they provide you're shit out of
 BM> luck.

 DD> That's the price one pays for accepting their services, securoty and
 DD> safety. [...]

Do you pay to belong to Fidonet?


 DD>> Policy 4 is telling me what to do with MY equipment and MY data feeds,
 DD>> all paid for with MY dollar. Nothing is provided by the Fidonet *C
 DD>> structure - why would I kowtow to them?

 BM> OK... I can deal with that.

Now that you opened the can of worms above... actually spending that $ is your
choice. No one is forcing you to be a nodelisted member.

 BM>> Touch of irony here or can it be the problem back
 BM>> then was the *C structure of Z3 not informing you as they should?

 DD>> You might think that - I don't. The political layer in Fidonet is
 DD>> entirely unnecessary these days,

 BM> Yet you complain no one contacted you regarding the radification election
 DD> of P4.

 DD> That was then - this is now. Now we don't need them.

Opinion... which is fine but one little snag.  You're set as PVT and as such,
are dependent on your NC to move your mail, both incoming and outgoing. Do you
wish to give up that luxury?

 DD> When Fidonet was POTS only system more cohesion was required for the
 DD> hierarchical node to node transition of mail. Now we just reach out
 DD> across the Internet and drop it at the target node (or near to it).
 DD> No-one has to wear the
 DD>  long distance cost etc.

It seems it's still required in cases such as yourself.


 BM>> Intersting dilemma.

 BM>> BTW, just so you know, the Net I belong to has a very active echo where
 DD> any
 BM>> information the /grunts/ should know about is cheerfully shared by the *C
 BM>> structure.

 DD>> Your terminology reinforces the appearance of the priestly sect lording
 DD>> it over the masses.

 BM> Nope.. not all all.  My NC asks for feedback and he gets it from whoever
 DD> wants
 BM> to give it im my net. It's more like we're telling him what to do.

 DD> How is that you don't get a vote in your own right? You rely on someone
 DD> else to represent you - and like real word politicians they rarely do,
 DD> they support whomever has bought and paid for them. Fidonet is small
 DD> enough for node level plebiscites to be held.

It's called a consensus of the net.  It's pretty standard in democratic
society. Majority wins. So each member of my net gets to vote.... that results
of that vote is then fowarded to the RC by the NC.  RC counts all their nets
votes and majority wins. ZC collects the RC votes.  Now it is possible each RC
may look at the results and use a weighted formula, but I'm sure that would be
part of the original rules of the election.  YMMV.

 DD>> It's all about a select few having CONTROL over the rest.

 BM> You seem to confuse communication with control.

 DD> They control your answer returned up the line - or not at their whim.

I can only speak for my NC and RC.... as they post the results.  Are you
calling each of them a liar?

 BM> That's all right. You've lost your control in Oz... one more shouldn't be
 DD> a big deal... especially in a hobby.

 DD> I never had any control of Australia.....

Yet you stay there at the whim of someone you can't even vote for.  Intersting.

 DD> I do however get to control the network/Internet access of over 25,000
 DD> users world-wide (even some in USA *gasp*). That really gives me a
 DD> woody I'm sure.

All you get to control being PVT is your little box in the corner.  Want a
voice, stick an INA in there and allow others to contact you. Till then, you're
at the mercy of your NC which, seems to have failed you all those many years
ago.

Enjoy


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Bill

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