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Skriven 2015-09-07 07:33:33 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 27938 av Bill McGarrity (20131.2fidonews)
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On 7/09/2015 12:27 AM, Bill McGarrity -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Correct - and no-one is going to tell me what to do when I am
 DD>> communicating with others.

 BM> There's the conundrum... it's like living in Oz.. you play by their rules.
 BM> Same as FIdo.

I do not live in FIDO - FIDONET is just a set of technical specs. All else is
personal equipment and personally financed data links.

 DD>> The Internet has no "rules", why should Fidonet?

 BM> I see... try downloading child porn and let me know if there are no rules.

Those are not internet rules - they are the laws of the country I live in. The
Internet has no laws.

[...]
 BM>> Opinion... which is fine but one little snag.  You're set as PVT and as
such,
 BM>> are dependent on your NC to move your mail

 DD>> If you check the nodelist again you will find I have no such dependency
 DD>> on the NC.

 BM> OK.. do you not have some dependency with some sort of *C to get your
netmail?

I didn't say that - I specified that I wasn't dependent on my NC to pass on my
netmail. You are aware of the nodelist entry for a "mail host"?

 BM> Lots of them out there that have no idea you're even in the loop.

They don't even know of me so why would they care?

 BM>  How does one send you netmail?

You send it routed I guess - same as you would any other PVT node. I have
received netmails since I have been listed PVT so it must be possible.

 BM> I can't send it direct therefore it has to go through one of
 BM> the *C's I'm connected to. That in itself blows your theory out of the
 BM> water.

Or you drop it at this net's mail host
[...]
 BM>> It seems it's still required in cases such as yourself.

 DD>> Nope no LD costs for my node. - Just normal Internet expenses.

 BM> I was talking about your internet expense as you pointed out previously.

That expense doesn't vary with the distance of the target node as it did when
moving mail by POTS.
[...]
 DD>> Each node has a majority of one - the "net" concept is as outdated as
 DD>> the zone concept. There is no need for hierarchical mail movement now.

 BM> Again, your opinion but without them and their routing procedure how do I
send
 BM> you a netmail?

You don't need your *Cs for that, you could drop it at someone in the structure
here (if they're not PVT). Maybe at the mail host.
[...]

 BM> Do you call your elected officials in Oz uber lords?

Just the Fidonet ones.

 DD>> Try one vote per node, and a central vote counting system - TRUE
 DD>> democracy.

 BM> Sorry to say you're living a dream...

So.. true democracy in a group as small as ours is not possible? It certainly
worked in the motorcycle group I used to belong to. All members got to vote on
stuff.

[...]
 DD>> Nope - I'm calling them redundant.

 BM> but very efficient. I can only magine trying to keep track of the 30,000+
votes
 BM> way back when if they tried it your way.

That was then, This is now. There are not 30,000 voters anymore
[...]

 DD>> But Fidonet is not a country, it is a collection of private systems
 DD>> communicating with each other at theoir own expense. Fidonet itself
 DD>> provides NOTHING to that communication, it is all done by individuals

 BM> Without the originators of Fido we wouldn't be having this discussion....
 BM> respect your elders.. ;)

Respect is not just given, it must be earned.

 DD>>> I do however get to control the network/Internet access of over 25,000
 DD>>> users world-wide (even some in USA *gasp*). That really gives me a
 DD>>> woody I'm sure.

 BM> Quite the dreams of grandure there... oh uber lord

Not dreams, facts.
[...]

 DD>> Others can communicate with me - simply send an netmail, or say
 DD>> something in one of these echoes. my system resides behind NATs -
 DD>> somewhat difficult to poll in.

 BM> But God forbid... that would depend on a *C to route it to you.

We do have a mail host in this net... My NC need not be involved!

 BM>> Till then, you're at the mercy of your NC which,

 DD>> My NC is a right utter bastard - I wouldn't leave myself at his mercy.
 DD>> My node operates independent of him.

 BM> Yet you're still here at his mercy whether you believe it or not.

He will/can not do anything against me - I have control of him :)

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regards
David (Uber Lord)

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